

Dejection
By: Inara | January 16th, 2008I think the picture below sums up how I feel.

Someone give Juninho a tissue. And give me one too.
Goals: Le Mans (Matsui 28)
I haven’t seen the game yet and only saw very brief highlights, but from what I was able to glean from match reports, basically Lyon just had an off day. A really bad off day in which all the players couldn’t help but play in the crappy relegation style that only Lyon are capable of. I mean, what other French team can boast such a wide array of firepower and yet fail to score one goal against a mid-table team that’s missing six of its starters? Yeah. Exactly.
I’m going to skip over player performances, though I understand that Fabio Grosso was responsible for the Le Mans goal. Apparently Sebastien Squillaci was the best player, and the only rating he could muster was a “6/10.” As for the others, Juninho was too tightly marked to be of any help, and both Kim Kallstrom and Jeremy Toulalan were not their usual selves. Well, Toulalan did pick up another yellow card, so at least he was in character. Karim Benzema had a lot of technical waste to his play today, and Loic Remy, who started the match brightly, eventually revealed himself to be the inexperienced player that he is.
As for Milan Baros…my heart weeps for him. He tries so hard, but he’s hardly been played in position in recent weeks, has he? Today, Perrin had him on left wing…when I saw that, I knew there would be disaster. Baros is just too slow to be a winger and has pretty poor crossing skills. He’s only good to be played up front, preferably behind another striker.
Which leads me to talk about the tactics. So this is basically what we saw today:
Coupet
Reveillere - Squillaci - Anderson - Grosso
Juninho - Toulalan - Kallstrom
Remy - Benzema - Baros
The back line and midfield make sense, though I would have played Mathieu Bodmer instead of Juninho, who’s been playing a lot and needs his rest. So this is what I don’t understand. With Sidney Govou and Hatem Ben Arfa injured, and with Kader Keita off at the African Cup of Nations, Lyon don’t have any real wingers on the senior team. We do have Remy and Anthony Mounier available, both of whom are good youth players but have yet to earn a place among the grownups.
So obviously, Lyon’s beloved 4-3-3 just doesn’t work with the manpower he had available. But he did have three strikers available - Benzema, Baros, and of course, Fred (who is about to move to Tottenham apparently). So it would make sense that Perrin change his tactics to accommodate his resources - meaning a temporary return to a 4-4-2. Something like this:
Coupet
Reveillere - Squillaci - Anderson - Grosso
Remy - Toulalan - Bodmer - Kallstrom
Benzema - Baros
Granted, that isn’t the greatest lineup ever seen, but it’s hella better than what Perrin put out this morning. Which brings me to my point: Perrin is again showing that he’s afraid to take risks. Yes, he did have some bad experiences with the 4-4-2 at Lyon, but that doesn’t mean that he has to play a 4-3-3 all the time no matter what. When you have a situation where you have fit strikers but no wingers, it’s sometimes best to adapt.
I’m getting a little worried that Perrin is afraid of being independent. He fears failure so much that he doesn’t want to stray from the tried and tested, which, in my opinion, is a very bad thing. A coach who can’t color beyond the lines isn’t someone who can take Lyon all the way.
Many of us have written off further progress in the Champions League, but the club did make it clear that attaining a seventh title and capturing both domestic cups was a priority. Yet we’ve already slipped out of the Coupe de la Ligue, and we know that Lyon has a poor track record in the French Cup (at least in the past three decades). If we also miss out in the Champions League, we will once again be left with an “empty season.”
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-Wot inara you actually thought Perrin would win us the champs league any way, coz that wont happen. Especially when were shit scared to strengthen the squad ! Doesnt go well with a amateuer manager. Im pleased to see that fred is ready to battle it out to start ahead of Karim, i just wonder if hell be given the chance coz hes got the potential. Lyon should start to praise him now hes ready to show 100 (60) per cent
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Hmm… Interesting position, Corey. I have a different position however. I was raised a briton so I find it “normal” for there to be two cups, so you’ll have to adapt what I say to the particular situation in Spain, but since France has the same number of cups, I belive the “english” theory can be ported across the channel.
Well, the main objective for any English club is the Premiership. It’s even bigger than the Champions’ League. Don’t believe me? Look at Liverpool. Two finals in three years, and just beacuse they’re outside the “top four”, Benitez has got all hell loose. After the Premiership, however, the Champions’ League is the most important trophy.
The cups are strange though, because one is full of history, guarantees a European position, and winning it can turn a bad season into a glorious one (FA Cup). And then there’s the “other” cup. The careless one. Where winning it isn’t really good, so all the top clubs used to field almost reserve sides to play in it, meaning it has been won by everybody and their sister (League Cup).
In France, it’s pretty much the same. The coupe de la Ligue isn’t really something that excites anybody. It only started in 1994, and the list of winners is almost comedy material : Paris, Metz, Strasbourg, Lens, Gueugnon, Lyon, Bordeaux, Monaco, Sochaux, Nancy… What’s more, it’s never been the “egalitarian” cup, and in 2005 there was a rule change to give the teams that finish 1st and 2nd in the league an extra bye… Something that further makes the cup meaningless. What’s more, since it only qualifies for the UEFA Cup, it doesn’t get the fans crazy.
The Coupe de France is the contrary. Long history (started in 1917), not the “most” egalitarian cup since pro clubs get a bye or two, but still far more egalitarian than the other one. And a list of winners that keeps on bringing back the big names of French football : Marseille (18 finals), PSG (9 finals), Saint-Etienne (9 finals), Bordeaux (9 finals), RC Paris (9 finals), Monaco (8 finals), Nantes (8 finals), Red Star (6 finals)… In fact, only Reims is missing, I think. The winner might only get into the UEFA Cup, but they used to get into the Cup Winner’s Cup, one of the two european cup competitions a french club has won… So it get’s the fan’s imagination running.
It’s not a clear link, but in France and England, the “league” Cup is a second choice cup, created too late, too restrictive… Not exciting enough… Nothing going for it. On the other hand the “FA” Cup is first rate, being the oldest competition in the country, allowing any team to pit itself against the best, the excitation of the great Cup wins of the past that lead to a European season (rare things back in those days)… Everything going for it.
There’s been a “balancing” of the two cups recently, most notably through the common link in the UEFA Cup, and the fact that in some leagues clubs are happy to have any silverware on their trophy cabinet, even the League Cup…
Then again, I can understand the players who don’t want to win the Coupe de la Ligue. Have you seen it? It looks terrible. I certianly wouldn’t be fired up to be able to show my kids and family that I helped my team win this garble of plastic and copper that looks more like an Ikea glass than a national trophy…
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Shazback “I certainly wouldn’t be fired up to be able to show my kids and family that I helped my team win this garble of plastic and copper that looks more like an Ikea glass than a national trophy…” This made me laugh a lot.
I agree with you on your analysis. In france the boredom towards the coupe de la ligue is even worse than in England.
I was catching up on some Premiership games recently and after one of Manchester’s goal against Newcastle I heard the commentators say something like : “This is world class football, just sit down and enjoy!”
I can’t imagine a French commentator say that during a game in France. Because the teams are worse? I don’t think so, Lyon, Nancy and Bordeaux have scored as good a goal as Manchester, but it is just not sold well enough as many of you have already said before.We definitely need to have 3 or 4 usual teams at the top of the French league, or people will never get sucked in completely into games. I remember the end of the 80’s begining of 90’s with Marseille, Monaco or PSG… although I was young, I remember most people had a strong opinion about who they wanted to win.
Now most hide behind the sentence : “I just want to see nice football”. But if you don’t support a team, there is no passion behind games.Posted from
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Shazback and pride of lyon- Im not being rude to either of you but this topic is very dull, does anyone care ?
( p.s- sorry u 2 )
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It’s not much more boring than saying day in day out that Lyon need to buy : a defender because Anderson is a laugh, a left wing-back because Grosso is a laugh, a right winger because Govou is a laugh, another attacker, a few more midfielders, a goalkeeper, a few more defenders… And at the same time complain about the youngsters not getting a chance because of first team players…
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Shaz, I know about the cups so the history lesson was not needed by I still enjoyed the reading! And you are right, the prestige of one cup outweighs the other. The Ikea look-a-like also isnt helpful, I still have the image of Monaco’s players with a bunch of tiny cups in there hands? Whats the deal with that?
But when I reference Spain, which has only one Cup, its completely different. The Copa del Rey is a tradition-filled competition whose top winner is Athletic Bilbao of all teams! But in the past 10 years, Madrid nor Barca has won it. Valencia neither. Actually, looking at it, Getafe, Zaragoza, Mallorca etc. have all won in the past few years. This to me means two things. People are not as captivated by Getafe winning a cup, they are not as exciting as Barca or Real, so the interest in the cup is decreased by lesser teams always winning. But the second piece of this is the fact that the bigger clubs demean the competition by playing lesser lineups and allow the small teams to win.
Its almost communist how the competition takes from the bigger clubs and gives the little guys more. Real played a decent lineup against Mallorca in both games, injuries withstanding, but still were beaten. Yet Real played bottom club Levante away inbetween the two legs and were able to get a result with some tough, efficient play. Is that not what a cup competition is about? Tough and efficient play that can guarentee a result over two legs? Its certainly the way the Champions League has gone, as Porto, Liverpool and Milan can atest to, because they have all won with defensive looking tactics and by grinding out results.
I gues my point is, when the top teams fall out of cups, they lose their importance, but if the top teams play their second string, they also lose their importance. So its a double negative, because no big team (England, France, Spain etc.) plays the best possible squad with the utmost motivation against lesser opponents in a cup competition. The stakes are to high in the league and Champions League.
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Also, Ronan, keep quiet child, you were not invited to this conversation, its for adults.
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Yes, you are right Corey. And I can understand that the Lyon players don’t feel a great motivation from playing Le Mans when they are about to face Manchester in 1 months time.
So the question is what is the best option for cup matches?
Use your best squad with no motivation?
Use your subs with maybe lesser abilities but something to prove?I don’t think there is an answer to that. Because if a coach puts up a B squad, people lose interest in the game, because they want to see the bigger players. And they then say that the team doesn’t want to make a result in this cup.
So tough call. I just think that clubs which are in the Champions league should be pulled out of the “coupe de la ligue”, and put back into it if they lose in the group stage of the CL. But if they play in both, they discredit the importance of the cup.
you can’t ask players to be focused all the time, especially when some matches are way more important than others.
The coupe de la ligue should maybe be changed into a “coupe de l’equipe reserve”. Players who have played less than 10 games so far in the season could play in it.
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Juninho-Toulalan-Kallstrom
Fred-BenzemaGut out the defense sell of the loser defense they already have. This front line can cause a lot of trouble for everyone.
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GOVOU SHOULD BE SOLD. he is not as good as he used to be and he is not improving. Lyon get attached to mediocre players too much like Revilliere and Squillaci, Cris is questionable too, do you guys remember how he injured himself (Like an amateur trying to kick the ball as hard as he could without technique just brute force, he is a dumbass for picking up that injury).
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Euh Ara,
Govou is maybe playing the season of his life.
IMO Cris is in the top 10 of the best world’s central defenders .
Squillaci has been playing the role of 2 central defenders in the last 6 months. When Cris is back, the defense will be very solid again.But now everyone sees the world differently. But I am happy with the players you named.
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I don’t care about the defeat in COUPE DE LA LIGUE. That does not mean much to Lyon. In my opionion this defeat will help Lyon focus on preparing for the match against Manchester United. I really want to see Lyon defeat ManU and eventually lift BigEar.
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Pride I agree! Whilst I’m not previously a Govou fan this season he’s on fire. Squillaci too, whilst not having a great season largely due to no Cris, showed his value all through last season, plus was one of the few to have a good game against Le Mans. I have no doubt that Squillaci will be back to true (and anything but mediocre ) form when Cris rejoins. And sell Cris - the mainstay of our previously impenetrable defense, the best defender in L1? Plus if we sell Cris it will Ronan reason to post twenty more defensive wish lists per day. Please no!
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does corey have any pubes ?
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No Ronan, la natural
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Cleber Anderson is out for 6 months !!!
It’s so incredible. “Rupture des ligaments du genou”. The same injury of almost every Lyon’s defensive players this season !!!
What the hell is going there ???Posted from
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Please guys. Defense has always sucked. The most essential thing a team needs to win a championship is good defense. How many times have lyon gone out of the CL due to do shaky defense?
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Sorry, Inara. Sorry, Jo. Sorry, Pride of Lyon. Sorry anyone who loves Lyon. But as a Rennes and Manchester United fan i have to say that piece of news has just given me a great big smile.
Anyway, Cris will be back soon. I just wonder if another defender will be bought in haste, or if Paillot will get 2-3 games under his shorts.
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Wot is Anderson injured ? Great news now lyon will be forced to sign a centre back now that downsyndrome (Anderson) is gone, lets hope its for good and actually buy someone half decent for aq change.
COREY- i call a truce with u
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Ronan, the “pubes” comment is making me think you want to be banned.
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QUESTION: DO YOU GUYS THINK CAEN WILL CONTINUE TO PLAY WELL THIS SEASON AND THE SEASONS TO COME? OR WILL THE BIG CLUBS BUY THEIR KEY PLAYERS, AND CAEN WILL EVENTUALLY (IN THE NEAR FUTURE” BE RELEGATED ONCE AGAIN? LIGUE 1 NEEDS CONSISTENT COMPETITORS LIKE ALL THE OTHER BIG LEAGUES.
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Sorry Inara, I have now sorted it out with Corey on my behalf. I shouldnt have mentioned the topic, it wont happen again and lets now talk Lyon shall we ?
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Ara… I can’t see Caen, Le Mans, Nancy, Valenciennes (and in lesser fashion Nice) settling easily in the top reaches of Ligue 1… Why? Because they’re quite small towns compared to English, Italian or Spanish top teams’ towns. Caen has less than 200,000 people in their metropolitan area, Le Mans less than 300,000, Valenciennes less than 400,000, and Nancy less than 500,000, (Nice is better off with a million). And since they are all renting a stadium from the town (only Auxerre owns their own stadium in Ligue 1), they have a small stadium that’s not always filled… So they’re pretty poor (60% of an average Ligue 1 club’s revenues are from TV). And of course, they can’t get big sponsor or equipment deals because of their low reputation and fanbase. Thus, to survive they have to sell their better players, and bet on youngsters or unknown talents. De Melo (Le Mans’ best player this season with Gervinho and Romaric) has already signed a pre-contract with Palermo to be transferred free this summer. This is a catastrophe for Le Mans, who were expecting to sell him for a few million to buy a successor. Gervinho and Romaric might be sold therefore just to help the club go through this financial problem. And if next season they’re in the lower half of the table, it won’t be surprising. And the cycle goes on.
Becuase it really is that. A bad cycle. Small town -> small stadium -> small revenues -> small reputation -> youth policy -> player sales to keep afloat -> variable sporting results -> small reputation -> small revenues -> small stadium -> etc… Once you get into it, it just keeps on multiplying its effects.
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hhmmm, the player part sounds like what lyon do though doesnt it not ?
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Keep your childish jibes to yourself ronan.
Anderson’s injury further compounds our desperate defensive situation, meaning either Paillot or Bodmer starts the next few games in the back. I dont expect Lyon to buy as any one of quality is cup tied or will have an elevated price due to our needs. Cris will return soon, but for a few games poor Toto is gonna have to do with the shaky Bodmer or nervous Paillot. Lets hope either one does a decent job, I think Paillot will be able to handle Ligue 1 strikers.
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