Comments on: Build Your Own Team: Part II http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html News from Olympique Lyonnais Football Club Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:54:56 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Inara http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12268 Inara Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:38:52 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12268 That's the thing, Lyon aren't big enough (or wealthy enough) to keep talented players on the bench. That's why it's so hard for us to have a deep bench that's talented. Look at Belhadj, Diarra, Keita, Bodmer, Fred, and basically any player who is kept from starting - they start chomping at the bits. In the positive cases (Keita, Bodmer, Fred), they channel that into really good performances and make a convincing case to start. In unfortunate cases, they just can't express their talent at Lyon and have to leave in order to keep playing. That's why KK is going to pull an ultimatum on us this summer - play me or sell me. He was patient all year last year, coming off the bench in nearly every game, and he was rewarded this year by a starting spot. But with Bodmer and Ederson breathing down his neck, he might decide that if he's going to be benched, he might as well do so at a bigger club. That’s the thing, Lyon aren’t big enough (or wealthy enough) to keep talented players on the bench. That’s why it’s so hard for us to have a deep bench that’s talented. Look at Belhadj, Diarra, Keita, Bodmer, Fred, and basically any player who is kept from starting – they start chomping at the bits. In the positive cases (Keita, Bodmer, Fred), they channel that into really good performances and make a convincing case to start.

In unfortunate cases, they just can’t express their talent at Lyon and have to leave in order to keep playing. That’s why KK is going to pull an ultimatum on us this summer – play me or sell me. He was patient all year last year, coming off the bench in nearly every game, and he was rewarded this year by a starting spot. But with Bodmer and Ederson breathing down his neck, he might decide that if he’s going to be benched, he might as well do so at a bigger club.

]]> By: Ush http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12262 Ush Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:57:09 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12262 My main concern about all these options is, is Lyon a club where great players will happily sit on the bench? They clearly are at the likes of Chelsea, which is also a hot issue in the London club, Avram Grant playing Anelka on the wing, Lampard vs Ballack etc... Well lets look at our options, back four is pretty much set in stone with Clerc and Revelliere happily rotated at right back. Find a replacement for Grosso, or at least a good back up. I'm personally a fan of Taiwo, but not many left backs can live up to Abidal. With formations, the root of it seems does Fred play better with a strike partner ala 4-4-2? Benzema is an awesome centre foward, but he's a very capable left winger. If he gets annoyed because he thinks he should be playing up foward that's a bad attitude. He's only a kid really, not the coach. And the team is still winning games. Funnily enough, the same debate is at Barcelona with Henry and co: http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=618915 My main concern about all these options is, is Lyon a club where great players will happily sit on the bench? They clearly are at the likes of Chelsea, which is also a hot issue in the London club, Avram Grant playing Anelka on the wing, Lampard vs Ballack etc…
Well lets look at our options, back four is pretty much set in stone with Clerc and Revelliere happily rotated at right back. Find a replacement for Grosso, or at least a good back up. I’m personally a fan of Taiwo, but not many left backs can live up to Abidal.

With formations, the root of it seems does Fred play better with a strike partner ala 4-4-2? Benzema is an awesome centre foward, but he’s a very capable left winger. If he gets annoyed because he thinks he should be playing up foward that’s a bad attitude. He’s only a kid really, not the coach. And the team is still winning games.

Funnily enough, the same debate is at Barcelona with Henry and co:
http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=618915

]]> By: Ush http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12257 Ush Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:21:12 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12257 I feel so special being mentioned in the blog! :D lol I'll do a detailed post in a while. I feel so special being mentioned in the blog! :D lol
I’ll do a detailed post in a while.

]]> By: Jo http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12212 Jo Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:14:27 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12212 Grosso was the easiest to find ! :) Grosso was the easiest to find ! :)

]]> By: Inara http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12202 Inara Sat, 15 Mar 2008 03:36:08 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12202 Shazback, I love the labeled pic. I didn't think anyone else would take a close look at the picture - you deserve extra props for finding Grosso on there. Shazback, I love the labeled pic. I didn’t think anyone else would take a close look at the picture – you deserve extra props for finding Grosso on there.

]]> By: Shazback http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12199 Shazback Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:02:02 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12199 Is it just me, or can anybody else see the names under the dots on the pitch? Goals : Coupet Defence : Reveillère - Squillaci - Cris Defensive Midfielder : Toulalan Midfield : Ben Arfa, Källström, Juninho Right wing : Govou Striker : Benzema Left wing : Grosso http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7627/footballtacticsfrenchho6.jpg Is it just me, or can anybody else see the names under the dots on the pitch?

Goals : Coupet
Defence : Reveillère – Squillaci – Cris
Defensive Midfielder : Toulalan
Midfield : Ben Arfa, Källström, Juninho
Right wing : Govou
Striker : Benzema
Left wing : Grosso

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7627/footballtacticsfrenchho6.jpg

]]> By: Cruz http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12194 Cruz Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:57:06 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12194 one thing that worries me is that at lyon, the tactics define the team in advance. what other clubs out there buy players based on a formation regardless of what the coach wants. neither perrin or houllier were able to change tactics at lyon, and when they tried, they got no support from the president or the players. it's like the 4-3-3 is the rule at the club, and everyone has to fit around it. all recruitment revolves around it, which i think is very narrow minded and restrictive. maybe if lyon tried another formation and didn't limit themselves to the philosphohy of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" we might be able to hit that next step in our evolution. we keep saying that our coach isn't daring or aggressive enough, but anytime he tries something, we get on his back immediately. sure he lost a few times, but anytime you try something new, its going to take a while to work correctly. i guess my point is that a club shouldn't be defined by tactics. or what's the point of hiring a good manager if he isn't going to change things around tactically? one thing that worries me is that at lyon, the tactics define the team in advance. what other clubs out there buy players based on a formation regardless of what the coach wants. neither perrin or houllier were able to change tactics at lyon, and when they tried, they got no support from the president or the players. it’s like the 4-3-3 is the rule at the club, and everyone has to fit around it. all recruitment revolves around it, which i think is very narrow minded and restrictive. maybe if lyon tried another formation and didn’t limit themselves to the philosphohy of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” we might be able to hit that next step in our evolution.

we keep saying that our coach isn’t daring or aggressive enough, but anytime he tries something, we get on his back immediately. sure he lost a few times, but anytime you try something new, its going to take a while to work correctly.

i guess my point is that a club shouldn’t be defined by tactics. or what’s the point of hiring a good manager if he isn’t going to change things around tactically?

]]> By: Salieri http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12192 Salieri Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:39:34 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12192 4-3-3 seems to be the most stable possibility for Lyon, which has built its team by buying (or forming) the appropriate players for it. Eg: Grosso, Ben Arfa, Juninho, Keita, Clerc and maybe Ederson are not very appropriate 4-4-2 players. 4-3-3 seems to be the most stable possibility for Lyon, which has built its team by buying (or forming) the appropriate players for it.
Eg: Grosso, Ben Arfa, Juninho, Keita, Clerc and maybe Ederson are not very appropriate 4-4-2 players.

]]> By: Caio http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12189 Caio Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:38:16 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12189 inara more rumors about Juninho and Sao Paulo (also they speak at a tv program to yesterday about that) http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.netvasco.com.br%2Fnews%2Fnoticias14%2F49956.shtml&langpair=pt%7Cen&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8 i know its fake but they speak about that all the time!! inara more rumors about Juninho and Sao Paulo (also they speak at a tv program to yesterday about that)

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.netvasco.com.br%2Fnews%2Fnoticias14%2F49956.shtml&langpair=pt%7Cen&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8

i know its fake but they speak about that all the time!!

]]> By: japple http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12188 japple Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:01:57 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/just-for-fun/build-your-own-team-part-ii.html#comment-12188 exactly. i dont think anyone in their right mind could argue that the 4-3-3 is not an effective formation for lyon. but it doesn't hurt to be more flexible if the situation calls for it. exactly. i dont think anyone in their right mind could argue that the 4-3-3 is not an effective formation for lyon.

but it doesn’t hurt to be more flexible if the situation calls for it.

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