Lyon Sign EDERSON and BOUMSONG (plus other transfer news)

By: Inara | January 29th, 2008

With only three days left in the transfer window, Lyon’s mercato is wrapping up, and as far as I know, these two are the last arrivals (unless Lyon do bring in a DM). Ederson has been a long time Lyon target, and today, he signed from Nice for €15m on a 4 and a half year contract. However, he will be loaned back to Nice for the remainder of the season. Jean-Alain Boumsong was bought from Juventus on a three and half year contract for €3m as defensive cover.

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Ederson already looks like he belongs!

Some details on Ederson and Boumsong:

Name: Honorato Campos Ederson
Age: 22
Position: Midfielder
Previous clubs: RS Futebol, Juventude, Nice

Ederson is my dream come true. I’ve wanted him at Lyon for so long that Ederson’s arrival almost feels like a personal victory. He’s been on the radar of several clubs for a while now, most notably Juventus, Valencia, Roma, and Lazio. Often touted as another “Ronaldinho,” Ederson is a tactically astute playmaker who possesses a fair amount of joga bonito.

Ederson received two other offers this January, one from Valencia and one from Roma, but he opted for Lyon for several reasons. First, Lyon was the only club to offer more than his release clause (€12m). So the deal was financially good for Nice, which Ederson wanted. And only Lyon were willing to let Ederson remain with Nice for the rest of the season. He didn’t want to leave his club without helping them achieving a spot in Europe for next year.

It was also a matter of acclimation. He’s spent the last four years in France, and at 22 years old, he may have decided that he’s not ready to leave for a foreign league just yet, especially since he’s learned to love French culture and life. And of course there was Juninho, who’s been pushing Lyon to recruit Ederson for the past couple of years while also pushing Ederson to consider Lyon. It’s no secret that out of all the potential successors for Juni, Ederson comes closest.

Ederson can take free kicks, he has a lot of pace and is a tricky dribbler, and best of all, he’s spent the last four years playing against Lyon, so he has more than a passing familiarity with his new team. He’s also the first Brazilian we’ve recruited who hasn’t come straight from Brazil (oh wait, there was Elber).

He’s also so damn adorable. Don’t you just want to take him home and feed him chicken soup? I also like that he’s always smiling. That’s a good thing. You can never have enough cheer on the team.

Ederson is tied with Fred as Lyon’s third most expensive transfer ever (behind Kader Keita and Sonny Anderson). Perhaps some people think is strange that Aulas spent so much money on a domestic player, but as the president himself said, Ederson is a player for Lyon’s future. Now that the first title winning generation of Lyon is winding down (Juninho, Gregory Coupet, and Sidney Govou are getting old while players like Sonny Anderson, Florent Malouda, Eric Abidal, and Mahamadou Diarra have left), Aulas is already building a second golden team, which will feature players like Ederson, Jeremy Toulalan, Karim Benzema, and Hatem Ben Arfa.

It was always meant to be.

While it would have been nice to have Ederson right now, Lyon’s midfield is jacked, and now that Boumsong has arrived, Mathieu Bodmer will be returning to midfield duties. I’m thinking that Ederson’s arrival means someone will leave next year, either Kim Kallstrom or Bodmer (probably Kallstrom). We also don’t know whether we’ll keep Marc Crosas. As for the non-EU spot, it’s also quite possible that Lyon will let Sao Paulo sign Fabio Santos permanently (with Aulas being pissed at him and all). So if Cris gets his Portuguese passport, Lyon will be respecting the quota.

Name: Jean-Alain Boumsong
Age: 28
Position: Defender
Previous clubs: Le Havre, Auxerre, Rangers, Newcastle, Juventus

I’m going to make a promise right now. You all know that I’m not one of Boumsong’s biggest fans and frequently single him out in criticisms. But now that he’s a Lyon player, I will be as supportive as I can, and I’ll stop with the references to the Chuckle Brothers. For better or worse, he’s ours now, and Lyon fans always stand behind their players.

He’s a French international, and though he’s a laughingstock among many football fans in the world, he does possess talent. It often puzzles many people how just a vilified player keeps on getting picked up by top clubs and getting call ups to the French NT. Raymond Domenech has made no secret of his affection for Boumsong, took him to the World Cup, and has left to door open for his return to the team.

Boumsong’s career started off promising while at Le Havre and then Auxerre, which prompted Rangers to lure him over to Scotland when he became a free agent. He did fairly well there and was eventually sold to Newcastle for nearly €11m. Unfortunately, his career plummeted while there (that pairing with Titus Bramble didn’t help), and he started being known for his glaring mistakes. Two years ago, Didier Deschamps brought him to Juventus, where he had a fairly solid Serie B campaign. But his reputation had gotten to the point that any mistake he made was magnified a hundredfold. When new manager Claudio Ranieri made it clear that Boumsong had no future at Juventus, he jumped at the chance to sign for Lyon.

He’s huge and is good in the air, so he has all the requisite qualities a defender needs. His only failing - a big one - is his lack of concentration. Hence the blunders. So the question is, can Boumsong revive his career at Lyon? It’s quite possible. Neither Juventus nor Newcastle boasted particularly good defenses, and perhaps if he’s paired with a steadier player such as Cris or Sebastien Squillaci, it might go better for him.

What is clear from his press conference is that he’s ambitious and wants to prove his critics wrong. He knows he’s better than his reputation, and he’s been given a lifeline by Lyon in order to clear his name. His trophy cabinet is also rather empty - besides a title with Rangers and a Serie B title with Juventus, he hasn’t won anything else. So he has a chance to become an important part of Lyon’s campaign.

A return to France might just be what he needs. There is nothing like being surrounded by your own people, speaking in your own language, and playing a style of football that makes you feel confident. So let’s keep our fingers crossed for him, okay?

Also, and this is equally important, Boumsong has such pretty eyes. Edit: here is a better picture. Dreamy, right?

I tried to find a serious Boumsong compilation, but I could only find bloopers, so instead, here is the goal he scored for Juve last week.

Other transfer news:

* Milan Baros’s loan move to Portsmouth has been finalized.

* Karim Benzema is expected to extend his contract in the next few weeks. Lyon will also be working on extensions for Hatem Ben Arfa, Jeremy Toulalan, Francois Clerc, and Loic Remy.

* Anthony Mounier will probably go out on loan to Boulogne, currently 11th in L2.

* Loic Remy is the subject of much interest. Lille would like him on a loan with an option to buy while Lorient, Caen, and Nice would like the young attacker on a permanent deal. Nice are especially hoping to take advantage of their new good relationship with Lyon. However, Remy thinks it is most likely he’ll stay.





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  • pride of Lyon |  January 30th, 2008 at 2:13 am

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    I like your dream team Jo.

    Still, I can’t see us keep all those midfielders. Either Bodmer or Kallstrom will leave. Also we can see you are a true Lyonnais; you want to use the ゙homemade゙ players in priority.

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  • guignol |  January 30th, 2008 at 2:58 am

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    what’s exciting is that OL has been able to react to what was their biggest exodus in recent years, which had the nattering nabobs of negativism crowing the end of an era, and form what angel marcos called potentially the strongest OL ever even before this mercato, and further strengthen even that, and done with a combination of homegrown youth players and signings both modest and ambitious.

    the surfeit of extracommunity players sets the tone: right now there are too many good players for next season, prime (but for from sole) example on the right wing where govou, keita and delgado are going to be fighting for 2 spots on the roster and 1 in the “équipe type”. after a few seasons of maximum stability, OL from now until next august will be a crucible where all this material will be melted down and forged into the next generation of “top gones”

    the only player with no one breathing down his deck (even counting benzema and juni!) is grosso, and you can bet your bottom dollar that will change at latest this june.

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  • Nuno |  January 30th, 2008 at 3:07 am

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    “He´s also the first brazilian we´ve recruited who hasn´t come straight from Brazil”
    I know we speak the same language, and that the guy hasn´t exactly excelled in your defense (Thanks for the buy, by the way), but last time I checked Anderson played in Benficas´ defense before moving to Lyon. I think that counts as Europe, don´t you?

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  • Jo |  January 30th, 2008 at 5:05 am

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    You’re right Pride of Lyon.
    It would be FANTASTIC for me to see Lyon winning again and again next year with an offensive line EXCLUSIVELY “made in Lyon”.
    I cannot find any club in Europe with this particularity. Tell me if I’m wrong.
    It’s a matter of pride.

    In football, pride is as important as results.

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  • Shazback |  January 30th, 2008 at 7:33 am

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    I’m still trying to figure out how Lyon are going to stay down to 4 on-EU players when their derogation runs out in July…

    So far, Juninho, Cris, Delgado, Anderson, and Fred are non-EU players on Lyon’s rooster. However, to register players for competition next season, they can only have 4 non-EU players… Cris will get a portuguese passport, hopefully, but Ederson will come, and Fabio Santos will come back from loan… So that’s 6 players for 4 positions. I doubt Delgado, Ederson or Juninho will be left out since they’re recent buys or very important players. So who’ll leave? Anderson is a strong possibility, but who of Fabio Santos and Fred? My money’s on Fabio Santos.

    Anyway, Lyon will have to sell two non-EU players if Cris gets a portuguese passport, and three if he doesn’t. I wonder how they work it out. And if they bring Garay in, then it’ll be even harder to solve the conundrum… Fred, Fabio Santos, Anderson to leave, and perhaps another player if Cris doesn’t get his passport in time to register for the first games of the season (early august)…?

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  • guignol |  January 30th, 2008 at 7:56 am

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    juninho is NOT a non EU player, he’s had a french passport over a year now. i think the 4 non EU players will be ederson, fred, fabio santos… and someone else, maybe not even someone on the club right now, someone who can play CB/LB. that depends on how delgado comes along, but frankly i think he’ll be third at his position when the dust settles.

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  • Ronan "The Don" Napier |  January 30th, 2008 at 8:07 am

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    Christs sake wot about the striker,LB and DM ?

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  • Shazback |  January 30th, 2008 at 8:09 am

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    Indeed, Guignol. My mistake… But then why did Aulas ask for a derogation to sign Anderson when Cris injured himself? Because there were only 3 non-EU players on rooster then… Cris, Fred, Fabio Santos… So why did Lyon need a derogation to bring Anderson in? Anyway, it only marginally changes the problem, Lyon will have to sell one non-EU player next summer if Cris gets a Portuguese passport, and two if he doesn’t. I wonder what that means… Anderson can probably get his luggage ready, but he might not be the only one.

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  • corey |  January 30th, 2008 at 10:11 am

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    fred is an obvious canidate to be sold as is Anderson while fabio santos and delgado are canidate for loans. I don’t worry about non-eu slots teams figure it out, and garay won’t be coming, he will go to Madrid next season. Jo I like your lineup and use of youthplayers, I think we underestimate their potential.

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  • Ara |  January 30th, 2008 at 10:34 am

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    I think Lyon shot themselves in the foot by picking up Bodmer and Keita even though they are my favorite players on the team. WHERE DO THEY PLACE THEM?!

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  • rougebleu |  January 30th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

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    One, I still have a feeling lyon are going for the 442 again, or maybe something more complex that perrin has up his sleeve to accommodate Ederson, Keita and Bodmer (Imagine both Ederson and Juni on the pitch, midfield nightmare)…something like lille, a more defensive 4-5-1 or 5-2-1-2, or a 4411 seeing as how they aren’t going for any DM. We have the players for all those formations. Switching formations half way through a game can really hurt an opposition…and since everyone expects 433 starting the formation differently can really dent any strategies made.

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  • rougebleu |  January 30th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

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    And no, I do not play football manager, I play football.

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  • Inara |  January 30th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

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    Nuno: Sorry about that. I had forgotten about Anderson for a minute there.

    Shazback, Guingol: I remember Aulas said he would apply to the LFP for an extra emergency space when Anderson got injured, so I think Lyon are allowed to have five non-EU players at the moment. We are still one over, so that’s why Fabio Santos was allowed to leave on loan. When he returns, Cris should have his passport, and I’m guessing either Anderson or Delgado will be sold/sent on loan.

    Or maybe Fred has a Swedish grandmother and is waiting for a passport too.

    rougebleu: I would like Lyon to be more flexible too. Our dependency on the 4-3-3 is alarming tbh. When we have all the requisite players available (ie Juninho), it’s the best possible formation ever. But when he’s gone, we struggle. Plus I’m pretty sure every coach out there can predict Lyon’s starting lineup a month in advance, so we’re very predictable. Also, Benzema has admitted that he would prefer to play with a strike partner, or at least with someone directly behind him (Ben Arfa).

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  • pride of lyon |  January 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

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    I also think like a lot of people here that 4-3-3 is restraining Lyon’s progress. Of course we are winning, but to be honest, the quality of our squad is as good as the big european clubs if you don’t look too closely at the defense.
    I am all for a 4-4-2. I also think people tend to think of Govou Keita Ben Arfa as pure wingers while they could definitely play in a more central position as long as it is high up the pitch (they could even take the wing from time to time).

    As for Delgado, I don’t see Lyon getting rid of him in the summer as they spent a lot of money to bring him in now.

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  • pride of lyon |  January 30th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

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    I actually think that it is hard to change from 4-3-3 into another formation. I think that all the Lyon staff would love to be adaptable. But it needs time to change, and when you need results on the short term, you have no opportunity to change tactics without losing a few games and feeling a lot of heat behind your collar.
    We will have to wait for next season to see another tactic I think.

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  • Inara |  January 30th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

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    I forgot to put this in my post, but Ederson is a world champion with Brazil in the U17 World Cup back in 2003.

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  • Shazback |  January 31st, 2008 at 2:30 am

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    Pride of Lyon : I don’t think Lyon are even close to the quality that other “top” european sides have, be it in the starting XI or on the bench. Take Barcelona or Real Madrid, who can play with a lone striker up front (Eto’o or RVN) who is probably better than Benzema (he’s good, but those guys are killer). Or can play with two strikers up front (+Henry or +Raul)… Wingers? They’re stacked. From Messi and Ronaldinho, Robben and Robinho, but also Dos Santos, Sneijder, Iniesta or Drenthe… In central midfield, they’ve got enough depth to make a great squad even with two internationals injured : without Deco and Yaya Touré, Barcelona field Gudjohnsen/Dos Santos/Edmilson or change formation to add Bojan/Henry, or put Marquez in midfield… And they’ve still got Ronaldinho, Messi, Iniesta, Xabi and Eto’o on the pitch! Without Gago and Diarra, Real just field a four-mad midfield made of Sneijder, Baptista, Robben, Guti. Or Robinho, Drenthe, Ramos, Higuain or Saviola can play in a more midfield position in a different playing system. Lyon’s defence has been in shambles this season because of two injuries to central defenders. If Marquez and Sylvinho are injured, then Barça still have Milito, Puyol, Zambrotta, Thuram, Abidal and Oleguer as “natural” defenders, and Edmilson, Touré and perhaps Gudjohnsen could adapt… Same for Real. Pepe and Marcelo injured? you’ve still got Salgado, Ramos, Cannavaro, Metzelder, Drenthe and Heinze. And Diarra or Gago could fill in if need is.

    So that’s every line except the goalkeeper (not “really” a line, but Casillas and Valdes aren’t too bad) where Barça/Real have more quality and more depth. Lyon’s squad is a lot better than other french clubs, but is still a long shot away from the squads of the biggest teams in the world (hence even without a proper defence Lyon is top of the league whilst barely scraping through in the CL).

    Lyon seem to be looking to become more adaptable, and to introduce the 4-4-2 as an alternative to their current playing style. But I don’t think Perrin is the man to do it. He’s not a very good manager in my opinion (certainly not good enough for Lyon), whilst to change tactics, you need someone with a clear idea on where he’s going and how he’s going to get there…

    Oh, and if you’re thinking it’s “just” Real and Barça, look at Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester United, Inter Milan, AC Milan, Roma, or even (more arguably) at Bayern Munich, Juventus or Liverpool…

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  • rougebleu |  January 31st, 2008 at 8:25 am

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    Shazback, Lyon might not have the depth of players those teams have, but we are building it. Up front we have players all those teams WANT. Our midfield: Toulalan, Kallstrom, bodmer, juni, ederson, santos, etc. is still a force to be reckoned with. Next season they can only get better, with the exception of juni, who is getting old sadly. Our defense is the only thing subpar in my opinion, but injuries and transfers can do that. Real and Barca both have many more years of titles and trophies, Chelsea have so much money they can buy someone’s soul, Arsenal have a huge amount of prestige in Europe(through trophies or amazing players) and one of the best managers in the world, same with MU, Inter has a huge debt because of their team (last time I checked it was something like over half the entire money owed in the italian league) but maybe nike will pay it off… Milan is getting old with the exception of a few players, Roma are about par with us I think, maybe a bit better up front with totti, Bayern can’t seem to score against bottom of the league teams even with one the strongest attacks in football, Juventus is a joke now, and Liverpool can’t seem to get the team chemistry together this season. All of these we don’t have, the good and bad. I really think the only thing keeping us down is other teams heavily built reputations, Perrin (I agree fully with you there. Which we are building up every season by beating them (or in barca’s case drawing even :P), without caring about their top of the world first teams.

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  • Ronan "The Don" Napier |  January 31st, 2008 at 9:11 am

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    Shazback, wot are u talking about gudjohnsen how the hell cud he play as a defender wen he is a natural striker ?

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  • Corey |  January 31st, 2008 at 1:17 pm

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    Ronan, Gudjohnsen has played in central midfield as of late, linking defense to attack. He did not mean a defender, but lower on the pitch then one would imagine.

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  • pride of lyon |  January 31st, 2008 at 2:42 pm

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    Sahzback, well, actually rougebleu answered for me.
    When you look at it, Benzema, Ben Arfa, Kallstrom, Toulalan… (just to give those names). All the big guns want to buy these players for a huge amount of money. the truth is that if those players were leaving you would say that they are better players just because they play for Real or Barca.
    Look at the previous years : Abidal, Malouda, Essien, Diarra, Edmilson. All those players played for us and now that they play in a bigger club, they just get a world wide recognition. I don’t think it means that they are better players.

    You are right on one point though, we don’t have as big a depth in the squad as they have. But do we really want the depth in squad? it is usually more problems than benefit. Most of us already think we have too much of a depth in midfield…
    If you take the best starting 11 possible of all the big teams in Europe (and forget about the injuries), IMO Lyon’s best starting 11 is as good as any of them.

    I see now that Lyon is not a big club yet, because when we sell players they suddenly become great players, but in people’s mind, when we sign players, they are always crap.

    I know it may sound unrealistic and arrogant. But compared to other clubs, apart from history, Lyon has nothing to blush of.

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  • Shazback |  January 31st, 2008 at 5:07 pm

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    Rougebleu : Lyon has one player that every club and their sister wants right now. Benzema. Sadly, that’s about it. Coupet will still be attractive for one or two seasons, but he’s past his best. Defensively, nobody’s interesting. Midfield? Well, Ben Arfa and Toulalan are the most interesting. But even there, Ben Arfa isn’t yet seasoned enough and hasn’t proved himself on the CL level (a bit like Nani), so whilst he’s a talent, he’s not exceptional. Toulalan is a solid defensive midfielder, but there are a lot of them around now, from Gago and Diarra at Real to Gattuso at AC Milan… And he’s not showing enough ability to build the play going forwards for the moment.

    You say that what Lyon lack is “prestige”… But how do Lyon want to gain any when they sign B-listed players like Anderson and Boumsong, or even interesting, but not star players like Delgado or Keita? Lyon have won 6 L1 on the run. If that’s not enough “trophy”, then how will the 7th change anything? I don’t buy into this. Marseille in the early 1990s was able to sign international stars like Waddle, and they hadn’t done even half of what Lyon has done (prior to winning the CL in 1993)… So what does Lyon need? I honestly can’t see where Lyon lacks in “prestige” compared with Roma, Arsenal, Tottenham or Atletico…

    Inter’s money comes from Mr Moratti… Their own Oil Tycoon. Milan might be old, but Pato, Kaka, Gilardinho, Bonera, Gourcuff and Digao are ready to help the overhaul. Roma still have on their books Mexes (arguably better alone than all of Lyon’s back line), Vucinic, Mancini, Pizarro, Taddei, De Rossi… All are at least on par with Lyon’s best XI. Munich have only lost once in the Bundesliga… Against 5 times for Lyon. Their attack is weak for the moment, but it could become just as impressive at the start of the season. I don’t think much of Juventus or Liverpool, so I’ll let them be.

    As for “beating” top clubs… Roma knocked Lyon out last season, AC Milan beat Lyon the previous season, PSV the season before that, Porto the season before that, Denizlispor the season before… In fact, which “big” clubs have Lyon beat? Real twice in the group stages (Real went through both times), Bayern once in the group stages (Bayern went through), Inter once in the group stages (Inter went through, Lyon went to UEFA)… And that’s it. Since 2001. 4 wins. None were decisive, sadly.

    Lyon are building up. I just want to remind us all of this, because I must admit I chuckle inside when I read “the quality of our squad is as good as the big european clubs“…

    Ronan : Unless I’m mistaken, Gudjohnsen has always played as a “deep” attacker, behind an out-and-out striker. When need has been, he’s often dropped to the wings or to a lower midfield position. So I think he’d be able to change to defence. Not very well, but his positioning is good, his movement is alright, and he’s an excellent header of the ball… So he could probably fill in. Not become a great defender, but fill in. Like Bodmer…

    pride of lyon : When I look at Abidal, Malouda, Essien, Diarra and Edmilson, I see good defensive-minded players, with a big physical aspect to their playing style. Malouda is now on the bench at Chelsea. Cole has come back from injury, and Grant seems only too happy to have a proper solution to his attacking problems. Abidal hasn’t got all the culés behind him yet, and his lapses in concentration as well as his still far too average crossing aren’t helping him much. His defensive qualities on the other hand remain. Both of these were recognised as part of the best left sides in the world before they were sold… Whilst Abidal has more or less kept true to his reputation, Malouda hasn’t… He’s one of the dissapointments of Chelsea’s squad so far. Essien, I admit I didn’t recon he was as good as he proved to be with Chelsea. But Diarra and Edmilson have not yet managed to become constant first picks in their respective clubs… Diarra has found Gago, Guti, Sneijder and Robben to be just too much (I’m not counting Robinho’s left-wing antics last season, nor Drenthe’s this season). Edmilson hasn’t been helped by his injuries, but Deco-Iniesta-Xavi-Ronaldinho-Eto’o-Motta/Messi has kept him to a secondary role, increased now by Dos Santos, Gudjohnsen, Bojan and Touré… So out of the five you spoke of, how many are “stars” in their side? I’d say two. Abidal and Essien. And Abidal is more of a falling star than a rising one. So nope, they’re not “better” players, nor “worse” players. They’re just pretty much what Lyon’s starting XI is in my eyes : a few true stars and a lot of good but not exceptional players.

    Best starting XIs? Without injury?

    Casillas vs Coupet
    Ramos-Pepe-Cannavaro-Heinze vs Reveillère-Squillaci-Cris-Grosso
    Guti-Gago-Sneijder vs Juninho-Toulalan-Källström
    Robinho-Van Nistelrooy-Robben vs Govou-Benzema-Ben Arfa

    I only see one line where Lyon are on level : Attack. And that’s with Lyon’s preferred formation, not Real’s. You can find them to be equal, I just don’t. And so far, results back that up.

    Sure, Lyon doesn’t have anything to blush of. Except their defence. And their lack of depth. It’s because of these two reasons that many people (myself included) still consider Lyon to be a “2nd-rate” european side (2nd-rate in chances of winning the CL that is…), when Lyon have won more trophies this century than ANY OTHER EUROPEAN CLUB. Lyon are the most successful club in Europe at the moment, and the French league is only a few little points behind the Italian league in the UEFA Ranking. So why does the team that breezes through the L1 find it so hard to win against top league european opponents when it’s important? It’s nice to beat Real in the group stages, but I’m sure you’d swap it any day for not having conceded those two goals against AC Milan… And that’s the point. You don’t write club history on group stages. Not in Europe. You write them in the latter stages and in the domestic league.

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  • Pride of Lyon |  January 31st, 2008 at 5:39 pm

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    Shazback -
    “Casillas vs Coupet
    Ramos-Pepe-Cannavaro-Heinze vs Reveillère-Squillaci-Cris-Grosso
    Guti-Gago-Sneijder vs Juninho-Toulalan-Källström
    Robinho-Van Nistelrooy-Robben vs Govou-Benzema-Ben Arfa”
    The difference between you and me is that in this case I only see 1 line where Lyon is not as good than madrid : defense. For me, All the other lines are as good, and I would also say that the midfield may even be stronger than the one of Madrid (that’s just personal opinion).

    You are right, Lyon has never beaten a big gun in a crucial match. But clubs like Chelsea haven’t really done so either. And may I remind you that Arsenal hadn’t gone past the 1/4 finals of the champions league before the year they reached the final.

    As for Diarra, Essien and Edmilson, I gave their names because they were starters in their “big team” as you said. Diarra of course didn’t settle in as well as everyone thought, but noone will deny he is one of the best out there. As for Edmilson, he was a regular in the Barca midfield for a few years, and it is only in the past years he has been changed. But using the argument he is not playing now to say he is not good is not valid IMO. Barca just renewed their squad with other players. But Edmilson did the trick for a few years.

    Anyway, I hope you understand that I am a Lyon supporter, and that even at the times of Giuly and Maurice or even N’gotty for me Lyon played the best football in Europe.

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  • Inara |  January 31st, 2008 at 6:04 pm

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    Shazback: I have to admit that I rate Lyon’s midfield above Real’s. And I think a midfield of Juninho-Toulalan-Fabio Santos can hold its own against most others in the Champions League. But I do concede that we are very vulnerable defensively, especially on the sides. Still, Cris, Squillaci, and Clerc/Reveillere, as well as Abidal, gave Lyon the best defense in the CL last year until their loss to Roma. Teams with more impressive defenses gave up more goals, so in Lyon’s case, I think it’s a matter of tweaking the back four, not totally overhauling it. We need a new LB ASAP, if Cris doesn’t recover another starting CB, and if Clerc can’t make the jump, we might have to look at a new RB too.

    What follows isn’t just a response to Shazback but more of a general comment:

    Regardless of how our former players are doing at other clubs, it doesn’t negate the fact that they did well for Lyon. And that’s how it should be. We don’t recruit players based on how they’ll do ten years later at Real Madrid. We get them so they do well for us. It’s not our problem if other clubs like what they see and start fighting over our players. But while they were here, Essien, Diarra, Malouda, Abidal, Tiago, and Edmilson did well for us. So their contribution to Lyon has never been in any doubt. What they did afterwards doesn’t concern me.

    In the same vein, bringing in a superstar might not solve Lyon’s problems. If a player - no matter how talented - can’t adjust into the team already set up - then he’s doomed to fail. For example, Trezeguet at Lyon would have been a disaster since we can’t accommodate a pure poacher in our current set up. So we have to look at our recruitment logically. And frankly, the kind of stars we’d like to see at the club won’t come to France. Forget the cream of the crop - we couldn’t convince second tier stars like Heinze, Reyes, and Morientes, whether it was because of taxes or the attractiveness of the league. But those problems are out of Lyon’s hands - we can’t do anything about that. And because this is France, we can’t pay for salaries with income we don’t have, so we can’t pull an Inter or an MU and run into the red. We have a big transfer fund, but a smart club doesn’t pay salaries from that or else it will be drained pretty quick. And as things stand, most of our cash is tied up into OL Land. Once it’s built, we’ll have a lot more income, especially since we are financing it with modest debt. So for Lyon, it’s all about the long term.

    I know a lot of people decry the signings of Anderson and Boumsong. But you guys have to realize that these two aren’t part of Lyon’s long term plans. It’s unreasonable to expect that Lyon will improve with each and every transfer. That’s just not possible. Improving requires a lot of planning, but those two players were signed as last minute solutions due to injuries. It’s not like Lyon spent the last two years following them like they did with Toulalan and Ederson.

    Now you can get mad at Lyon if this summer, they don’t sign a more permanent, long term defender with a better future, but please remember that Boumsong and Anderson are not the club’s first choices. Some of you might ask why Lyon didn’t recruit better players this winter than them. It’s also because of future planning. It’s likely that Lyon do have a defender they want to sign, someone that won’t be available until later. So it makes more sense to spend only 3m on Boumsong now then 10m on a slightly better player, only to spend 15m in the summer for their top choice. And both Boumsong and Anderson know that they are just backups. If they want to leave in the summer, Lyon won’t care.

    Lyon probably won’t win the CL. I think the management knew that going into the season. Given the relaxed way they are accepting Lyon’s rather shoddy record this year, it’s obvious the club is more concerned with building a squad, making players fit together, changing how they play the game. Sure, Lyon will lose one or two big players this summer (Kallstrom and Grosso perhaps), but the core of the team will probably stay, enhanced with a few more signings. On paper, Lyon are already the strongest they’ve ever been, but next year they’ll put it into practice.

    So let’s all try to be a little more optimistic, okay?

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  • Pride of Lyon |  January 31st, 2008 at 6:32 pm

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    Inara - “I think the management knew that going into the season. Given the relaxed way they are accepting Lyon’s rather shoddy record this year, it’s obvious the club is more concerned with building a squad, making players fit together, changing how they play the game”
    I tend to agree with the building squad part. It is incredible to see the amount of transfers Lyon has done during this winter mercato. More than I have ever seen them do.

    Anyway, it is interesting to hear your different opinions.

    I am very optimistic for the future Inara, make no mistake about that. ;)

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