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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, i&#039;ve been checking on this site for a while now and this article really caught my eye. as an avid marseille fan (allez l&#039;om and all that) i was wondering how to watch the lfp&#039;s matches in britain? i&#039;ve been watching l&#039;om&#039;s games on some dubious chinese live streams, but surely there&#039;s a better (read more legal) way to watch their games? thanks, tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, i&#8217;ve been checking on this site for a while now and this article really caught my eye. as an avid marseille fan (allez l&#8217;om and all that) i was wondering how to watch the lfp&#8217;s matches in britain? i&#8217;ve been watching l&#8217;om&#8217;s games on some dubious chinese live streams, but surely there&#8217;s a better (read more legal) way to watch their games? thanks, tom</p>
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		<title>By: pride of Lyon</title>
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		<dc:creator>pride of Lyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>woooaw shaz, it is the most constructive post I have ever read. Nothing to add.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woooaw shaz, it is the most constructive post I have ever read. Nothing to add.</p>
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		<title>By: Shazback</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shazback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jo&lt;/strong&gt; : According to Médiamétrie (you can get some info on their site or on leblogtvnews.com), Téléfoot lost 300,000 viewers between May 2007 and September 2007 (when they lost Ligue 1 rights), but have since September 2007 regained 250,000 viewers... So they&#039;re almost breaking even, and their &quot;new&quot; formula is getting better audiences each week, so they should have at least caught up with their audience levels by the end of the season.

&lt;strong&gt;Corey&lt;/strong&gt; : I don&#039;t know how the TV system works in the USA, but it seems that you have a lot more channels than we do. Either you have pay networks that are very widespread, each with their own large choice of channels, or you have some way of getting more channels than France does. In France, up till 2006 there were only 5 &quot;national&quot; channels (TF1, F2, F3, F5/Arte, M6), as well as one pay-network that had their main channel sometimes availible (Canal+). Since F2, F3 and F5/Arte are all the same group (FranceTélévisions), and they&#039;re public, they deemed in the past that Football (in league format) wasn&#039;t something that suited &quot;public&quot; broadcasters. So they&#039;d get the Cup competitions, and since they are the only channels to have a &quot;regional&quot; capacity, they would show different matches in different areas (ex. Paris-Carquefou in Paris, Marseille-La Duchère in Marseille, etc...). TF1, M6 and Canal+ don&#039;t have this capacity. Now, in 2006, TNT broadcasting and TVoIP started to make a foray in the french market, and has increased the number of channels. However, they&#039;re very recent, and I guess they&#039;ll start &quot;mergering&quot; to make groups soon... But that&#039;s still far off. So all these channels are relatively poor, and tend to focalise on low-cost strategies (loads of Music Channels, loads of TVShop channels, loads of talkshow channels, loads of &quot;old show&quot; channels, loads of news channels...), with the few that fare better having already been bought into bigger groups (W9 is a branch of M6, Direct8 is a branch of TF1, Virgin17 is a branch of Virgin Media, NRJ12 a branch of NRJ radio...). So French viewers are pretty much limited to 3-4 &quot;national&quot; channels of any importance... And almost nothing beside it. I have (thank you Free TV) 300+ channels on TV I never watch (yep, arabic, turc, romanian, belarus...), and yet I -never- see any sports on TV (except an odd game of handball, volleyball, or rugby on one of the &quot;national&quot; channels...). So It&#039;s a bit of a dream for us frenchies that you Americans have Fox Soccer Channel, GolTV, Setanta... All we have is C+Sport. And it&#039;s pay-per-view.

&lt;strong&gt;francis&lt;/strong&gt; : I hope you only mean &quot;most watched sports program&quot;... Because even Ligue 1 isn&#039;t the most-watched program on French TV. France national team, Champion&#039;s League, Dr House, Prison Break, News at 8, Lost, 24... They get better audiences than Ligue 1 week in week out. And they&#039;re part of the reason why TF1 and M6 aren&#039;t interested in bidding for &quot;premium&quot; games. Why would they want to decrease their viewing ratings? Even in sports ratings, I&#039;m not sure Ligue 2 is the most watched... Rugby in France has taken a big step forwards, and since the World Cup 2006 has become capable to rivalise with football when it comes to national sides. So in the sporting world, the French NT in football or rugby dwarf Ligue 1, but so does the Champions&#039; League, in fact... What you might mean is that Ligue 2 is the second most watched &quot;football league&quot; in France. And there, you&#039;d probably be right. But that&#039;s due to the fact that EPL, Serie A, La Liga and Bundelisliga games are shown on C+ at non-prime times, whilst Eurosport France and Numéricable (who have the Ligue 2 rights) program Ligue 2 at prime time. (Although even there, I&#039;m surprised. Figures would be appreciated.) Lastly, how many people watch F2F? How many people watch Téléfoot? F2F has Ligue 1 &amp; Ligue 2, Téléfoot has the other leagues, the NT and the European competitions. Téléfoot gets far better audiences, so I doubt Ligue 2 is &quot;that&quot; attractive...  As for the &quot;popularity&quot; of the Championship in England : Average attendancy figures (2006-07) : Ligue 1 (21,817), Championship (18,221), Ligue 2 (6,813). Make up your own mind. Mine is already made up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jo</strong> : According to Médiamétrie (you can get some info on their site or on leblogtvnews.com), Téléfoot lost 300,000 viewers between May 2007 and September 2007 (when they lost Ligue 1 rights), but have since September 2007 regained 250,000 viewers&#8230; So they&#8217;re almost breaking even, and their &#8220;new&#8221; formula is getting better audiences each week, so they should have at least caught up with their audience levels by the end of the season.</p>
<p><strong>Corey</strong> : I don&#8217;t know how the TV system works in the USA, but it seems that you have a lot more channels than we do. Either you have pay networks that are very widespread, each with their own large choice of channels, or you have some way of getting more channels than France does. In France, up till 2006 there were only 5 &#8220;national&#8221; channels (TF1, F2, F3, F5/Arte, M6), as well as one pay-network that had their main channel sometimes availible (Canal+). Since F2, F3 and F5/Arte are all the same group (FranceTélévisions), and they&#8217;re public, they deemed in the past that Football (in league format) wasn&#8217;t something that suited &#8220;public&#8221; broadcasters. So they&#8217;d get the Cup competitions, and since they are the only channels to have a &#8220;regional&#8221; capacity, they would show different matches in different areas (ex. Paris-Carquefou in Paris, Marseille-La Duchère in Marseille, etc&#8230;). TF1, M6 and Canal+ don&#8217;t have this capacity. Now, in 2006, TNT broadcasting and TVoIP started to make a foray in the french market, and has increased the number of channels. However, they&#8217;re very recent, and I guess they&#8217;ll start &#8220;mergering&#8221; to make groups soon&#8230; But that&#8217;s still far off. So all these channels are relatively poor, and tend to focalise on low-cost strategies (loads of Music Channels, loads of TVShop channels, loads of talkshow channels, loads of &#8220;old show&#8221; channels, loads of news channels&#8230;), with the few that fare better having already been bought into bigger groups (W9 is a branch of M6, Direct8 is a branch of TF1, Virgin17 is a branch of Virgin Media, NRJ12 a branch of NRJ radio&#8230;). So French viewers are pretty much limited to 3-4 &#8220;national&#8221; channels of any importance&#8230; And almost nothing beside it. I have (thank you Free TV) 300+ channels on TV I never watch (yep, arabic, turc, romanian, belarus&#8230;), and yet I -never- see any sports on TV (except an odd game of handball, volleyball, or rugby on one of the &#8220;national&#8221; channels&#8230;). So It&#8217;s a bit of a dream for us frenchies that you Americans have Fox Soccer Channel, GolTV, Setanta&#8230; All we have is C+Sport. And it&#8217;s pay-per-view.</p>
<p><strong>francis</strong> : I hope you only mean &#8220;most watched sports program&#8221;&#8230; Because even Ligue 1 isn&#8217;t the most-watched program on French TV. France national team, Champion&#8217;s League, Dr House, Prison Break, News at 8, Lost, 24&#8230; They get better audiences than Ligue 1 week in week out. And they&#8217;re part of the reason why TF1 and M6 aren&#8217;t interested in bidding for &#8220;premium&#8221; games. Why would they want to decrease their viewing ratings? Even in sports ratings, I&#8217;m not sure Ligue 2 is the most watched&#8230; Rugby in France has taken a big step forwards, and since the World Cup 2006 has become capable to rivalise with football when it comes to national sides. So in the sporting world, the French NT in football or rugby dwarf Ligue 1, but so does the Champions&#8217; League, in fact&#8230; What you might mean is that Ligue 2 is the second most watched &#8220;football league&#8221; in France. And there, you&#8217;d probably be right. But that&#8217;s due to the fact that EPL, Serie A, La Liga and Bundelisliga games are shown on C+ at non-prime times, whilst Eurosport France and Numéricable (who have the Ligue 2 rights) program Ligue 2 at prime time. (Although even there, I&#8217;m surprised. Figures would be appreciated.) Lastly, how many people watch F2F? How many people watch Téléfoot? F2F has Ligue 1 &amp; Ligue 2, Téléfoot has the other leagues, the NT and the European competitions. Téléfoot gets far better audiences, so I doubt Ligue 2 is &#8220;that&#8221; attractive&#8230;  As for the &#8220;popularity&#8221; of the Championship in England : Average attendancy figures (2006-07) : Ligue 1 (21,817), Championship (18,221), Ligue 2 (6,813). Make up your own mind. Mine is already made up.</p>
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		<title>By: guignol</title>
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		<dc:creator>guignol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as shaz and jo have pointed out, nothing of substance has changed. france2foot dies the death it deserves. BFHD.

i don&#039;t think this changes things for anyone else either. TV5 will keep doing whatever they do in your neck of the woods, here in france they&#039;ve never carried any football anyway.

C+ seems to have the same rights they always had: in fact only C+ sport (pay even extra) showed any saturday matches anyway, that corresponds to the fan lots.

orange getting premium lot 3 may be good news for lots of people, since they&#039;re already france&#039;s n°1 ISP... it depends on what level of service they include football in: if they put it in the entry-level subscription they&#039;re going to kill alice, neuf, free and tutti quanti.

as for telefoot: in olden days it was the ONLY way to keep abreast of the world of football, but in these modern dailymotion times, it was bound to go the way of the buttonhook and moustache wax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as shaz and jo have pointed out, nothing of substance has changed. france2foot dies the death it deserves. BFHD.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t think this changes things for anyone else either. TV5 will keep doing whatever they do in your neck of the woods, here in france they&#8217;ve never carried any football anyway.</p>
<p>C+ seems to have the same rights they always had: in fact only C+ sport (pay even extra) showed any saturday matches anyway, that corresponds to the fan lots.</p>
<p>orange getting premium lot 3 may be good news for lots of people, since they&#8217;re already france&#8217;s n°1 ISP&#8230; it depends on what level of service they include football in: if they put it in the entry-level subscription they&#8217;re going to kill alice, neuf, free and tutti quanti.</p>
<p>as for telefoot: in olden days it was the ONLY way to keep abreast of the world of football, but in these modern dailymotion times, it was bound to go the way of the buttonhook and moustache wax.</p>
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		<title>By: francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its good they didn&#039;t go down, but a few things would help:

- Marseille,PSG,Bordeaux winning the championship would certainly help

- Privatization will undoubtly mean lower attendance. However Ligue 1 is the most watched program in france(and ligue 2 is the second most watched!). I can assure you that the English Championship is not the second most watched program in England!. So im not too worried for French football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its good they didn&#8217;t go down, but a few things would help:</p>
<p>- Marseille,PSG,Bordeaux winning the championship would certainly help</p>
<p>- Privatization will undoubtly mean lower attendance. However Ligue 1 is the most watched program in france(and ligue 2 is the second most watched!). I can assure you that the English Championship is not the second most watched program in England!. So im not too worried for French football.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt makes a good point. In the US we have pay station for all of our sports, but unless you follow a really obscure team (think the Buffalo Bills) or you dont live in an area where your team is located (me!) you usually see your team play for free on network television. Football is broadcast based on regional action, but there are two sometimes three national games a weekend, while local stations like NESN or YES will pickup baseball games, and basketball and hockey are always on. We even have college sports on all the time.

And MLS games gets a weekly slot on network tv and an ESPN channel. So why cant France work something like this out? They only have football, rugby, auto racing and a few other sports to cover, not the broad range the US has. It baffles me sometimes that the US has such broad coverage but no soccer and European countries have a more narrow coverage but have such trouble getting free football on the tele.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt makes a good point. In the US we have pay station for all of our sports, but unless you follow a really obscure team (think the Buffalo Bills) or you dont live in an area where your team is located (me!) you usually see your team play for free on network television. Football is broadcast based on regional action, but there are two sometimes three national games a weekend, while local stations like NESN or YES will pickup baseball games, and basketball and hockey are always on. We even have college sports on all the time.</p>
<p>And MLS games gets a weekly slot on network tv and an ESPN channel. So why cant France work something like this out? They only have football, rugby, auto racing and a few other sports to cover, not the broad range the US has. It baffles me sometimes that the US has such broad coverage but no soccer and European countries have a more narrow coverage but have such trouble getting free football on the tele.</p>
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		<title>By: Inara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ara: FSC used to broadcast L1 up until the end of the 2005-2006 season. Then they stopped. GolTV broadcasts every league in the world except L1. Only Setanta broadcasts L1 out here, as well as TV5 (in Canada I believe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ara: FSC used to broadcast L1 up until the end of the 2005-2006 season. Then they stopped. GolTV broadcasts every league in the world except L1. Only Setanta broadcasts L1 out here, as well as TV5 (in Canada I believe).</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are totally right to underline that Canal + seemed to be pretty alone to bid since its merger with TPS. 
The high result of the last deal was the result of the rivalry between these 2 private cable operators  C+ &amp; TPS. The idea to split in many lots was pretty good on this point of view, considering the many attacks (in the medias and in the courts)done by C+ against this formula.

On a financial point of view, the result is indeed very promising...because Orange was not at all a broadcaster of any kind of program (ie on TV, but did already broadcast the Ligue1 on their cellphones), and pays today to see how it looks...where it becomes interesting : Canal + is owned by Universal whose turnover is around 20 billions, whereas Orange is owned by France telecom whose turnover is around 60 billions... Canal+ can start to prey that Orange don&#039;t outbid them to get all the lots next time... 

Ironical conclusion 1: Orange is on the way to realize what Jean-Marie Messier (former universal CEO) was dreaming to do: have the tubes and the flow.

Ironical Conclusion 2: English crickets TV broadcast had been totally privatized too...and its popularity just went down and down..

Ironical conclusion 3: This result is the consequence of the liberal market system of sport in Europe, that in France we blame on the USA...whereas USA has a very collective system for sport through its systems of drafts, etc to put back some equality between teams...

So let hope our private operators understand they have to give some free bites in order people remain interested to watch our Ligue 1 jus d&#039;Orange...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are totally right to underline that Canal + seemed to be pretty alone to bid since its merger with TPS.<br />
The high result of the last deal was the result of the rivalry between these 2 private cable operators  C+ &amp; TPS. The idea to split in many lots was pretty good on this point of view, considering the many attacks (in the medias and in the courts)done by C+ against this formula.</p>
<p>On a financial point of view, the result is indeed very promising&#8230;because Orange was not at all a broadcaster of any kind of program (ie on TV, but did already broadcast the Ligue1 on their cellphones), and pays today to see how it looks&#8230;where it becomes interesting : Canal + is owned by Universal whose turnover is around 20 billions, whereas Orange is owned by France telecom whose turnover is around 60 billions&#8230; Canal+ can start to prey that Orange don&#8217;t outbid them to get all the lots next time&#8230; </p>
<p>Ironical conclusion 1: Orange is on the way to realize what Jean-Marie Messier (former universal CEO) was dreaming to do: have the tubes and the flow.</p>
<p>Ironical Conclusion 2: English crickets TV broadcast had been totally privatized too&#8230;and its popularity just went down and down..</p>
<p>Ironical conclusion 3: This result is the consequence of the liberal market system of sport in Europe, that in France we blame on the USA&#8230;whereas USA has a very collective system for sport through its systems of drafts, etc to put back some equality between teams&#8230;</p>
<p>So let hope our private operators understand they have to give some free bites in order people remain interested to watch our Ligue 1 jus d&#8217;Orange&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rougebleu</title>
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		<dc:creator>rougebleu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any People up north can see some league games on TV5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any People up north can see some league games on TV5.</p>
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		<title>By: Ara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When can we see LIGUE 1 on Fox Soccer Channel or Gol TV?</description>
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