

The Fans: Not a Fan
By: Inara | September 11th, 2007Sorry for the lack of posting, but in between a hectic week and manning the main Offside blog yesterday, I’ve been neglecting this blog. But never fear, I’m back, and there is so much more to write about! Aulas has announced the plans for Lyon’s new stadium, new Liverpool reserve recruit Damien Plessis had some choice words for his time at Lyon, and of course a progress report on OL’s internationals. But before I do that, I have a few more interviews I would like to share with all of you.
Our next interviewee is Joanna, who is NOT a Lyon fan but still has plenty to say about Les Gones. Joanna is a Marseille fan coming from generations of Marseille fans. She and I “met” over email - she sent me some very helpful links regarding French football, and we have been corresponding ever since.
Tell us about yourself. You say that OM is in your blood. What does that mean?
Simply that growing up, the only sport that mattered in my house was football, and the only team that mattered was OM. Marseille is quite a unique city in France - despite it being a French city, it is a foreign town, filled with many immigrants from North Africa and Italy. Many people here think of Marseille first, then our family’s country of origin, and then France. It’s why many of us are crazy about OM but not necessarily for the French National Team.
Marseille is also France’s biggest footballing city. Nowhere else in the country will you find people so passionate about the sport - no offense but the Stade de Gerland and the Parc de Princes are nothing compared to the Velodrome!
Marseille were traditionally France’s most successful team, but the club went downhill after their Champions League win in 1993 (note: Marseille were relegated to Ligue 2 due to a match fixing scandal). How does that affect you as a supporter?
It is disappointing that OM have not won a title in fifteen years, but being loyal to a team means supporting them even when they are losing. It’s also hard because before every season begins, Marseille are always announced as Lyon’s biggest competitor, but somehow their campaign falls apart while Lyon manages to keep going.
How do you feel about Lyon?
It’s mixed. I’m rather glad that France has at least one team that can compete with the bigger clubs in Europe. But I’ll also admit that I get tired of seeing Lyon win Le Championnat every year. Another thing I don’t like is that nowadays, most people think of Lyon when they think of French football. But Marseille is the only club with a European pedigree. So it annoys to see Lyon as the sole representative of France.
Unlike Marseille, St. Etienne, and even PSG, Lyon is not a sympathetic club. There is something cold and unapproachable about them, maybe it’s their insistence on perfection, or maybe it’s the cold-blooded way they win their games, but it’s refreshing to see Lyon when they regain their humanity (when they lose).
I also wonder how many fans Lyon would have if they stopped winning. Last year, their fans booed them at home against Rennes even though they unofficially won the title. I can tell you one thing, and that is even if Marseille never win a trophy again, I would never trade OM fans for OL fans.
At the beginning of the year, Marseille were slated to be the team that finally dethroned Lyon. What do you think happened?
It’s puzzling, but I think it’s just taking a long time for the team to connect and develop fluidity. Everyone thought that Marseille carried about the best summer mercato, bringing in Givet, Ziani, and Cisse. Ribery left, but it was better to sell him than keep an unhappy player. With Nasri taking more of an important role in the team, Marseille’s team has the most quality in the league, besides Lyon. I would even go so far as to say that the teams are closely competitive to each other. In theory, Marseille should be doing as well as Lyon, since both teams are above the others in Ligue 1.
I won’t blame Emon, because without him Marseille might not have qualified for the Champions League at all. And I think Emon is as good of a coach as Alain Perrin, or perhaps even better. But I have the sinking feeling that it will be Perrin lifting the trophy in May, not Emon. Still, I won’t give up hope on Marseille. We got second place last year with a day to spare, and I’m confident that even if we can’t win the title, we’ll still be able to make Lyon feel very uncomfortable.
The media claim that Lyon robs L1 of its talent. Do you agree?
To an extent, yes. Lyon offer better wages and are more of an attractive prospect for young, ambitious players seeking a place on the national team or in a bigger club. Once Lyon enter negotiations, it’s difficult for other French clubs to compete. They always get their pick of the best French talent. Players like Mathieu Bodmer, Kim Kallstrom, and Nadir Belhadj are willing to sit on the bench at Lyon, though they would be starters at any other club. And then you see players like Alou Diarra, Benoit Pedretti, and Jeremy Clement, who were wasted away on the bench and had to move to a smaller club because they weren’t being played by Lyon. The only good thing is Lyon’s inability to lure players from abroad. If they were bringing in players like Nicolas Anelka or David Trezeguet, Ligue 1 would be more unbalanced than it already is. I’m secretly glad that Lyon are having recruitment issues.
Lyon and Marseille will be L1’s sole representatives in the Champions League this year. How do you think they’ll do?
I think Marseille has a decent chance to get the second spot in the group. Liverpool will obviously be the group winners, but Porto isn’t as frightening as they used to be, and I believe we are a better team than Besiktas. We have the Velodrome, and I think even Liverpool will have a hard time there. So we’ll see.
As for Lyon, I thought it was the group of death at first, but I think Lyon will manage to qualify. They are a better team than Stuttgart and Rangers, and who knows, they might even shock Barcelona the way they did against Real Madrid.
Is there a particular Lyon player that you like? Or dislike?
It’s hard not to like Juninho. He might be playing for Lyon, but his presence in France is a boon for the entire league. He’s been around for a long time, and though I hate it when he plays well against Marseille, I would be sad if he left. I also admire Karim Benzema and wish he was at Marseille to play with Samir Nasri. What a lethal combination those two would make. He’s probably the best player to ever come out of Lyon’s academy and one of the few OL players I genuinely want to be successful.
What is your opinion on Jean-Michel Aulas? Savior or devil in disguise?
I will be truthful and say that part of my dislike of him is motivated by jealousy, because if Marseille had JMA as a president, we would have won the Champions League several times over. I sometimes think about the weird twist in fate that had Bernard Tapie convince JMA to take over Lyon in the late eighties. I admire the way JMA runs his club. Lyon are able to keep going regardless of the change in manager and the change in players. Marseille lost only one player of note [Ribery] and we still haven’t been able to pick up the pieces.
Maybe Lyon aren’t as strong as last year, but it’s clear that there is something elusive that separates the two teams on the pitch. Maybe it’s their mentality, or maybe it’s the water they drink, but I think it’s the confidence that JMA has in his club. No matter how disappointing Lyon are sometimes, such as their last few exits from the Champions League, he’s always supportive of his team (I acknowledge his efforts at taking the pressure off his coach and players by deflecting the criticism on himself - something that Pape Diouf rarely does).
Still, he’s a devil. It’s very easy to hate him, and I think only a Lyonnais can love him. He’s a brilliant businessman and the sole reason for Lyon’s success, but he seems to want Lyon to be successful at the expense of all other French clubs. And the things he says sometimes. It’s no wonder he and Raymond Domenech are friends! He’s so arrogant that I just want to see Lyon lose to wipe that smirk off his face.
Sidney Govou: a waste of space or a brilliant and misunderstood player?
I get the feeling you don’t like Govou, Inara. For me, I consider Govou to be a dangerous player when he is in form. He doesn’t create much and hardly scores, but he is a handful against opposition players, and he keeps defenders busy, which allows his teammates to slip inside the box. Of course he is no Ribery, but I’ve never minded his presence on the national team and think he has a lot to offer. Still, I would say that Govou isn’t as frightening to play against as even Keita or Ben Arfa.
Is there anything else you would like to share with us?
I think that this year there is a real title race, and I’ve very excited to see how everything unfolds towards the end of the season.
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Damien Plessis left!?!? Damnit, I really liked him.
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I’m still shocked you didn’t ask me to do this…
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Corey: Yeah, but he traded Lyon’s reserves for Liverpool’s reserves. More on that in one of tomorrow’s posts.
Chris: Check your email.

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Very interesting interview. Glad to see a OM supporter trying to keep an open mind. I have to agree with all that has been said in this interview. And i do think Liverpool will still be impressed by the velodrome. I remember Beckham say after the game Marseille / Real Madrid (was it?) in the velodrome that it was most incredible atmosphere he had ever played in (and I am sure he didn’t lie).
When the two parts of the stadium answer to one another, it is simply incredible.
I will disagree on the fact that Lyon supporters wouldn’t support Lyon if they lost. We may not be as “hot” as in Marseille, but we still love our team.Posted from
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I replied but my email isn’t working, or at least I’ve been told. It’s on the way if you don’t get it soon.
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I still didn’t get it. I think our emails don’t like each other.

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Lots of biased things said on OM, but I guess that comes from being an OM fan : no objectivity…
Anyway, good work Inara.
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Oh, I also disagree on the fact that Lyon robs the other ligue1 team from their best players.
The truth is that those ligue1 team cannot keep those players who aspire to play in bigger clubs. If it wasn’t for Lyon, they would all have fled for other leagues. So actually Lyon avoids a bigger exodus. Don’t blame them for that.Posted from
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Joanna seems to be a very REAL OM Fan

I like that.
I don’t agree with everything she said (OL fans not real supporters, Lyon which robs L1 talents…) but I have to compliment her for her mentality and vision of her club.I really hope Marseille will go far in the C1.
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Watch your mouth about Plessis. Remember, he’s part of the new evil empire now and Steven Gerrard is slowly turning from Jedi Master to Darth Gerrard.
Class stuff, btw. Cheers.
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I think that Lyon robs Ligue 1 of it’s talent, but in a way simply “more” than Marseille, Bordeaux, PSG and Monaco. If you look at the transfer list since Lyon won their first title, the vast majority come from french clubs, where Lyon was up against Marseille, Monaco, PSG or Bordeaux to sign them. Lyon haven’t signed many players who have received offers from foreign countries alongside Lyon’s bids, so I don’t feel that Lyon “keep” talent in Ligue 1 and prevent it from escaping. Alou Diarra, Malouda, Abidal, Bodmer, Diatta, Clerc, Källström, Belhadj, Kader Keita, Frau, Luyindula, Toulalan, Squillaci, Vercoutre, Dhorasso, Essien, Monsoreau,Pedretti… All them in 6 years have been signed from french clubs by Lyon. And then there are “foreign buys” that are hardly “big buys” : Mahmadou Diarra, Muller, Carew, Deflandre…
I just think that Lyon are buying whatever’s “hot” in France, without wondering if such a player would be useful for the club. Sure, from time to time they get a gem, but a lot of their buys are flops, forcing them to use their little foreign buying power to fill important positions : Juninho, Cris, Caçapa, Fred, Nilmar, Fabio Santos, Anderson, Edmilson…
Lyon don’t seem that intent on youth formation (Bergougnoux? Benhamida? Clément? Berthod? Riou? Puydebois? Bettiol?), or at least, not in giving youth players any significant playing time. Buys like Pedretti, Frau, Monseaureau, Diatta might have seemed good at the time, but it meant that the clubs that sold them had to scourge their youth sides or lower divisions to buy a replacement. During the season, Lyon went on to play them sparingly, and then sell them off at the end of the season if they weren’t pleased.
Lyon are a “robber” of Ligue 1 talent because they mainly buy for smaller Ligue 1 outfits. However, they aren’t alone, and Marseille, Monaco, PSG and Bordeaux are just as bad, in my honest opinion.
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“I just think that Lyon are buying whatever’s “hot” in France, without wondering if such a player would be useful for the club.”
No way. Lyon are making good deals for players with good potential.
Even when they don’t “get” their player you can see the talent (-> would Emana look good in a Lyon uniform right now?)
In fact you contradict yourself in your own post :
Alou Diarra, Malouda, Abidal, Bodmer, Diatta, Clerc, Källström, Belhadj, Kader Keita, Frau, Luyindula, Toulalan, Squillaci, Vercoutre, Dhorasso, Essien, Monsoreau,Pedretti
YOu gave a list of those players. Which of them didn’t no see playing time in Lyon? A. Diarra, and maybe Pedretti didn’t see enough time. Monsoreau was signed a backup.
But all the others saw playing time (except Vercoutre, but he was signed as the backup).
All these players were useful to Lyon.
In fact, many of these players benefited from their time in Lyon to progress and move to bigger clubs (Abidal, Malouda, Dhorasso, Essien, and the path that Toulalan, Bodmer and Keita should follow in the near future).And no Lyon doesn’t “steal” L1 talents. They just outbid other french teams.
Nowadays, players want to start in a small club, get playing time, then expose their talents with a big french team and finally go abroad in a big european team.
Lyon serves their interest and its. They fully know that these players don’t want to commit long term, but at the same time, if they shine with Lyon, the fee will be rewarding for both the agent and the club.It’s a business and everyone makes the most of it, including smaller clubs that have no power to keep stars in the making and find in Lyon a club that is willing to put money on the table.
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it’s refreshing to see an OM fan with an open mind about OL (and JMA)!
the vélo is, or rather can be, a rockin’ place; it can be argentina! but some matches it is almost empty, whereas even for cup matches against modest teams gerland fills up these days. as for whether it will always be thus, even when our star fades, no one can say. the lyonnais are not as aloof as the rest of france make them out.
as for booing the team, i think we do less of that than anybody. you’ll never see fans in gerland turning their backs to the field or assaulting tola vologe like some supporters clubs do at the commanderie. imo the marseillais take their passion both ways; they create pressure, interfere with management decisions and at times are part of the problem.
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Players have to come from somewhere. Most L1 teams take players from the smaller L1 teams or from L2. It’s just how it works. Lyon want to recruit from abroad, but they can’t. There is also the issue of maintaining a French identity to the team - they don’t want to be Inter Lyon.
It’s true that some players didn’t see playing time at OL, but I think of it this way. If they couldn’t hack it at Lyon, it’s because they weren’t good enough. Toulalan pushed Diarra out of the starting eleven though it was Diarra who was intended to be the main starter. Kallstrom might have been a sub last year, but look at him now. Lyon fought tooth and nail to keep him. I think Bodmer will make a mark at Lyon too, it just takes time. Belhadj still has a lot to learn. It’s not Sedan anymore. And etc.
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