The Time-Bomb and the Brazilian Baby

By: John | October 27th, 2008

I have a very low tolerance for “Diva-ish” behavior, no matter how talented a player may be. And as much as I dislike both of these immensely talented players, I decided to write a post because their fates may be intertwined – although highly unlikely- and I wouldn’t mind seeing both of them possibly doing OL a big favor in the future, by negatively affecting the current #2 team in L1, Marseille. The following post has to do with my two least favorite Lyon players, one past and the other present: Hatem Ben Arfa and Fred.

It seems that the malignancy that was extirpated from OL’s body this last season is finally beginning to metastasize in it’s new host, Olympique de Marseille. HBA is losing his mind, and hopefully Lyon will reap all the benfits. According to reports, Ben Arfa burst into Eric Gerets’ press conference after the Clasico and began to rant about needing to give an explanation about his non-participation in this weekend’s match against PSG. Apparently, HBA rufused to warm-up a half-an-hour before the end of the match, being angry that Gerets did not start him in the biggest game of the season for him, in his native Paris. Ben Arfa interrupted the press conference and said: “I have to make everything clear. I made an innapropriate gesture because I am a competitor! I had time to apologize to the coach.” HBA then left the conference just as abrubtly as he had entered, leaving Gerets to explain what had prompted these words and what it all meant. Gerets had a flippant attitude and went on to say that everything had been talked about and the issues were resolved. But then, although Gerets took on a joking tone, how he described the problem with Ben Arfa didn’t sound so trivial.

He went on to say: “This could have ended with blows on both sides, but I’m a mature coach now. He had refused[to enter warm-up] because he was not mentally sorted-out. I had a meeting with him after the match. I knew that it would be direct and that it could either resolve the problem or make it worse. Fortunately, today, everything has been ironed-out. We kissed and made-up. It is the first time in my career that this has happened to me. But I think I had a fine interview. I’m happy with myself. I hope that that won’t happen again, but if it does, we musn’t put our heads in the sand. We must look to resolve the problem through discussion.”

Gerets claimed to have “turned the page” on the issue, saying that it could be quite possible that Hatem be included in the group against Nantes on Wednesday. He went to comment on HBA’s reputation: “Frankly, I don’t care about all the things I heard about him before he arrived. I’m beginning to understand his personality. When I called him before he arrived, I told him that we were sure to have good days and bad days. Right now, I think he’s had more good than bad.”

Although we saw a tiny flash of Hatem’s attitude problem in his training session scrap with Djibril Cisse – unfortunately Cisse took-off for Sunderland before he could teach the young man a proper lesson- things have been quiet at OM since then.

As for our other problem child, according to Le Parisien, Marseille is making the signing of Fred their priority, should Sunderland decide to take the option-to-buy on Cisse’s loan. Officials from OM are said to have already been in contact with Fred’s brother/agent. The article also says that JMA is putting lots of pressure on the Fred camp to sign a contract extension before Jan 1.

I’m not so sure that JMA will continue to supply OL’s biggest competitor with more higly talented, albiet emotionaly unbalanced players, especially if Fred continues his current form. With Lyon’s tenous grip on first place and the gap between OL and other teams in L1 almost nonexistent despite Lyon’s spending spree this summer, I doubt JMA would sell Fred to the team that poses the biggest threat to OL’s primacy in L1. But if Fred does sign a contract extension and OM outbids the other parties by a substantial margin, Lyon’s two resident problem children of last season could be reunited.

If that were to happen, we can only hope that HBA and Fred cause enough problems to make OM’s squad cohesion seem like a knee with no cartilage and then Marseille will have issues on the offensive side to add to their defensive woes. On the other hand, those two playing in sync together with Bakari Kone, Mamadou Niang, Mathieu Valbuena, Boudewijen Zenden, Elliot Grandin and company, is a scary thought and could make OM the strongest squad in France.






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  • sidney govou |  October 27th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

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    Fred is crazy if leave Lyon for Marseille. He is good player. JMA please, don’t sell Fred. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Ronan "The Don" Napier |  October 27th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

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    I can already see what will happen between marseille and fred,pape diouf will launch one ot two statemants regarding his interests,the have a falling out with Aulas. Then Diouf will launch another statement saying Marseille would like to sign Fred but his wages are to high,

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  • Inara |  October 27th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

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    You know it’s karma for Hatem when even goal.com calles him “puerile.”

    Unfortunately, if Fred doesn’t sign an extension (I doubt he will), and he wants to go to Marseille, Aulas can’t stop him. He’ll be a free agent and can sign wherever he wants. Plus since Marseille can sign him for free, and if they don’t have to worry about Cisse’s salary demands, they can afford Fred’s salary demands.

    I don’t know how much this move will work out for him. Marseille have so many drama problems, even more than Lyon. But he’ll get to play regularly there, and he might do well again. I don’t want to see another Remy incident.

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  • Ronan "The Don" Napier |  October 27th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

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    This situation is predictable-Diouf will launch two statements admiring Fred and saying how much he wants to sign him,then have a falling out with Aulas along the way. Then Diouf will come out saying Freds wages are to high.

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  • John |  October 27th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

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    Ronan: that’s if Fred signs an extension. Inara summed-it-all-up. I wonder who we’ll be picking-up as striker? Will we get a #3 at the Jan window and wait to get a bigger fish in the summer? Let the speculation begin!

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  • MoMONEY |  October 27th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

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    Ben Arfa I agree with but Fred not so much… The man can play but needs a change in scenery…

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  • Ush |  October 27th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

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    Anybody else losing faith in Puel abit?

    http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=933299

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  • Ronan "The Don" Napier |  October 28th, 2008 at 2:02 am

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    If Fred does leave,i think he needs to be replaced by a pacey striker,who is also a good finisher my choices would be
    Dieumerci Mbokani
    Mirko Vucinic
    McCauley Chrisantus
    Semih Senturk
    However I am aware that a few of those are cup tied,but all decent and young

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  • Ray |  October 28th, 2008 at 2:45 am

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    It’s just a stunt by Fred’s agent and brother to increase his value. Fred doesn’t want to leave…why would he? Aulas has smoothed things out with him personally, and still wants to keep him. As much as he loves to toy with the idea of leaving for Spurs, Marseille, PSG, or any other team…I really think Fred wants to stay here, at least until the winter of 2009. Dunga has already said his roster spot is a given, due to his track record of scoring goals and his dedication to the national side. However, if Fred falls out of favor again at Lyon, he’ll be desperate to go to any team that will start him in order to secure his place on the Selecao.

    Another thing, I’ve noticed from past celebrations (last year’s L1 win) and his recent goals that Fred’s teammates all seem really happy for him and support him, especially his fellow countrymen. But has there been any displeasure voiced publicly by his teammates?

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  • Inara |  October 28th, 2008 at 11:50 am

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    I think Lyon do want to keep him, the problem is that Fred is asking for a lot of money, more than he warrants earning. Hence the protracted contract battles. I don’t think Aulas is going to budge on this one though. Fred is getting a lot of interest at the moment from Roma along with Marseille, and apparently Tottenham, Werder Bremen, and Palermo, all clubs that have been interested in Fred before, are also back in the race. This time there would be no huge transfer fee to contend with, and they could afford to pay Fred the salary he wants because he’ll be a free agent.

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  • Ronan "The Don" Napier |  October 28th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

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    maybe look for a swap deal-vucinic-Fred

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  • mrCham |  October 28th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

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    Poor Fred. Everything he does seems to be bad. When he doesn’t score he’s no good, and when he actually scores – anyone could do it. The worst player ever to have played in Lyon is Hugo Lloris – he has to be the worst player/keeper ever. Everyone’s blinded by his low age and sees him as a talent, so they forget to criticize him. He hasn’t proven anything in Lyon but failure.

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  • Jo |  October 28th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

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    Have you ever watched any Lyon game, this season, MrCham ?
    Just do not forget that we didn’t concede a single goal in August, that means the 5 first official games.
    Lloris was extraordinary. And then our ugly defense broke it up.
    He even stopped two penaltys against Bordeaux in the Trophée des champions. He cannot do everything.

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  • Inara |  October 28th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

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    mrCham: For me, it’s not a matter of doubting Fred’s talent. I do think he’s talented, and when he plays well, he plays very well. It’s his attitude that I have a problem with. If Lloris acted like that, then yes, I’d not like him either.

    I just don’t understand how some people can overlook all the many negative things about Fred. Namely his lack of respect to the overall team dynamic. All the stunts he pulled last year – leaving Lyon without permission, returning a month late for pre-season training, missing practices, his constantly changing stance on whether he will stay or go, etc., and then whining about it to the press about how he’s being treated so unfairly. The goals he scores – when he does score them – in no way makes up for his behavior. He is spoiled, and I don’t believe that the club should pander to his wishes just because he has talent. It’s the same way I felt about Ben Arfa, who was my fave OL player at one time, but his attitude was too much for me, and I was happy to see him go.

    As for Lloris – of all the goals Lyon conceded so far, most of them were the fault of his defense and the general disorganization of the team. He’s made a few mistakes, notably on the second goal scored by Steaua, but he’s a new player, has to deal with a new defense every single game, one which often features displaced midfielders, with two CBs who are in the midst of professional breakdowns, with an RB that has played nearly every minute of the season so far, and an LB that has only been back for three games. So in his case, he deserves the extra leeway.

    But he’s definitely not the finished article, and he needs to get his confidence up. Should he continue making mistakes, then perhaps other alternatives will need to be explored. But Lloris’s attitude is the right one – to work hard and keep quiet, and better yet, he owns up to his errors and takes responsibility for them.

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  • Jennifer |  October 28th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

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    It’s a pity that both of them have such problems with attitude and mental fitness. I think both of them need a coach like Mourinho to get them through their careers (in style like Adriano, of course).

    But then it just goes to show that talent isn’t everything. Imagine how amazing they would be if they had the dedication to their craft like Kallstrom or Toulalan.

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  • Nikola |  October 28th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

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    Lloris makes a few disastrous mistakes and then manages to save a few shots no keeper in the world could have saved. To me, that incosistency is a sign of a great talent and a limited experience. With time and support from the whole team, he could become one of the best European goalkeepers, and the fact he is 21 should never be forgotten – in fact, could anyone name me one keeper in the world of his age who is better than him?

    About Fred, I won’t hide that I have certain irrational affection towards the guy, he’s definetely one of my favourite Lyon player and I rate his talent very highly. That’s why I would really really like him to get his act together and acts like a professional both on and off the pitch, he could be a real gem for this team – especially if Benzema leaves this summer. So, while I certainly don’t defend his attitude, I hope things with him would go just fine in the end and that he would stop making headlines for all the wrong reasons.

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  • mrCham |  October 28th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

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    Well, you’re right about Fred. But still, I can’t believe it when people only mention Lloris age; “he is only 21 years old”. Is this some kind of contest of having the youngest keeper?? He is not even half the keeper Coupet ever was, and nor will he be better than Vercoutre in the near future. I just don’t see the benefits in using a low-experienced keeper, just because he is young…. And yes, I have followed every game Lyon played this season, and to be honest … it’s scary that it seems that I’m the only one not blinded by his young age – instead of seeing his lack of experience.

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  • Inara |  October 28th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

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    Lloris is already better than Vercoutre. Remember his game against Bordeaux, Bayern, Nancy, and even Fiorentina? He was immense. The Steaua game was the first match since he came to OL where he looked inexperienced, and against Nice he had some fumbles. That Rennes game was just a brainfart by the entire team, and against Lille he was hung out to dry on the lack of defending on those corners.

    He doesn’t have European experience, no, but he’s been an L1 starter for Nice for the past three years. In fact, he has almost three times the experience as Vercoutre. For a guy with such a huge upside, I don’t know how much of a better player Lyon could have gotten, without going for a player of the level of Cech/Casillas/Buffon – which is obviously out of reach for Lyon.

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  • Pride of Lyon |  October 28th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

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    Can’t believe someone actually thinks of Lloris as a bad keeper…
    Even Pierre Menes who is always fairly critical about players abilities rates him very highly. Lloris is the keeper we need. He is already very good, but he will be immense in 4 years time.

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  • mrCham |  October 28th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

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    I respect your opinion, but I just don’t get the point with Lloris. He is not supernatural. He is not _that_ incredible. And you know that you can’t blame everything on “lack of defending”. He sure will be great in 4 years time. But until then, wake up and do the right thing! You’ve all been hypnotized by his age. Snap out of it! Please.

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  • Ush |  October 29th, 2008 at 2:30 am

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    “But then it just goes to show that talent isn’t everything. Imagine how amazing they would be if they had the dedication to their craft like Kallstrom or Toulalan.” – They’d be known as Karim Benzema :)

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