Comments on: Therapy Post: Making Sense of the Hatem Ben Arfa Debacle http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html News from Olympique Lyonnais Football Club Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:59:55 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Mind Body Shop http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15291 Mind Body Shop Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:25:39 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15291 Naturally, we cannot say much about the spiritual body, because we cannot imagine what it would be like to have a spiritual body different from that which we now inhabit but it seems to me reasonable to believe that we are weaving our spiritual bodies as we go along. Naturally, we cannot say much about the spiritual body, because we cannot imagine what it would be like to have a spiritual body different from that which we now inhabit but it seems to me reasonable to believe that we are weaving our spiritual bodies as we go along.

]]> By: Inara http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15289 Inara Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:33:45 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15289 Oh, I agree that Benzema has been a brat, and he can be a real bitch when he doesn't get what he wants, plus his behavior at Euros is not something he can be proud of (whereas Ben Arfa is actually pretty classy in situations where he's being punished).But Ben Arfa was pretty much shunned by all his teammates, and that can't be blamed on Benzema alone. If it was just beef between the two of them, Aulas would have hired a professional mediator rather than sell him cheaply to a rival. I do believe that the club would rather keep Benzema than Ben Arfa, but I don't think Ben Arfa was sacrificed to make Benzema happy is what I'm trying to say. Or the club would get rid of Fred, who is the guy responsible for making Benzema play on the left. Oh, I agree that Benzema has been a brat, and he can be a real bitch when he doesn’t get what he wants, plus his behavior at Euros is not something he can be proud of (whereas Ben Arfa is actually pretty classy in situations where he’s being punished).But Ben Arfa was pretty much shunned by all his teammates, and that can’t be blamed on Benzema alone.

If it was just beef between the two of them, Aulas would have hired a professional mediator rather than sell him cheaply to a rival. I do believe that the club would rather keep Benzema than Ben Arfa, but I don’t think Ben Arfa was sacrificed to make Benzema happy is what I’m trying to say. Or the club would get rid of Fred, who is the guy responsible for making Benzema play on the left.

]]> By: Magnusson http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15288 Magnusson Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:28:46 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15288 Oh and by the way this is not me bashing Benzema and taking sides for Ben Arfa. Ben Arfa is seen as a brat ever since the reality show. But during the whole period where he was benched he did not peep. Even though people knew they were not friends, they did get along and apparently Benzema didn't receive credit for giving assists to HBa and made it known. The two never liked each other so this is a case opf the locker room choosing the lesser of two evils. And Samir Nasri is also starting to become a troublemaker, having an ongoing beef wih the nicest guy in the world (ribery) AFTER the guy left the team because he was "supposedly overrated". I've rarely seen dumber feuds than these. Oh and by the way this is not me bashing Benzema and taking sides for Ben Arfa. Ben Arfa is seen as a brat ever since the reality show.
But during the whole period where he was benched he did not peep. Even though people knew they were not friends, they did get along and apparently Benzema didn’t receive credit for giving assists to HBa and made it known. The two never liked each other so this is a case opf the locker room choosing the lesser of two evils.
And Samir Nasri is also starting to become a troublemaker, having an ongoing beef wih the nicest guy in the world (ribery) AFTER the guy left the team because he was “supposedly overrated”. I’ve rarely seen dumber feuds than these.

]]> By: Magnusson http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15287 Magnusson Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:21:09 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15287 Inara I hate to disagree wioth you but Benzema has been a brat (along with nasri) at the euros and picked a fight even with his teammate quillacci. French journalists still don't know how to handle it because he behaves and acts like he's already an indispensable player. Most of them don't want to be shunned from Tola Vologe so only a handful (who were already forbidden access there anyways) are talking about it. Inara I hate to disagree wioth you but Benzema has been a brat (along with nasri) at the euros and picked a fight even with his teammate quillacci. French journalists still don’t know how to handle it because he behaves and acts like he’s already an indispensable player. Most of them don’t want to be shunned from Tola Vologe so only a handful (who were already forbidden access there anyways) are talking about it.

]]> By: Inara http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15280 Inara Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:38:36 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15280 I used to think so too, Corey, but first and foremost, a player has to be responsible for his attitude. A lot of different coaches have worked with Ben Arfa at Lyon, many of them used to working with youth. The fact that no one could reach him means the fault isn't necessarily on their end. Sometimes you have some players who can't be reached - Cassano, for example. Brilliant but won't listen to anybody. Bottom line, Ben Arfa was given several chances, chances which he didn't take. Lyon can only do so much for a single player, and sometimes, they have to cut their losses and move on. Plus I don't think the club took Benzema's side because I don't think their fight was the reason Ben Arfa left. Unlike Ben Arfa, Benzema was getting along with his teammates, wasn't picking fights at training, etc. I used to think so too, Corey, but first and foremost, a player has to be responsible for his attitude. A lot of different coaches have worked with Ben Arfa at Lyon, many of them used to working with youth. The fact that no one could reach him means the fault isn’t necessarily on their end. Sometimes you have some players who can’t be reached – Cassano, for example. Brilliant but won’t listen to anybody. Bottom line, Ben Arfa was given several chances, chances which he didn’t take. Lyon can only do so much for a single player, and sometimes, they have to cut their losses and move on.

Plus I don’t think the club took Benzema’s side because I don’t think their fight was the reason Ben Arfa left. Unlike Ben Arfa, Benzema was getting along with his teammates, wasn’t picking fights at training, etc.

]]> By: Jo http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15277 Jo Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:08:07 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15277 Thanks, Corey. Thanks, Corey.

]]> By: Corey http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15273 Corey Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:54:41 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15273 Bip Bip's name is the Roadrunner Jo. I dont like Ben Arfa leaving, but I blame the management for loosing control over Ben Arfa's attitude. They knew this was a problem when he came in from Clairefontaine, but they did very little to improve it. Stubborn as he was, they definately could have been more proactive in maturing the player. I also dont like how they sided with Benzema instead of attempting to patch things up. Giving Benzema all the power in the Lyon dressing room is a joke, he is still a very raw and unproven people, to many forget this. He could tear a quad muscle and be out for 3-4 months at a time this season yet again, it seems foolish to rely on a 20 year old striker but cast away a 21 year old winger with an almost identicle attitude problem and as much if not more potential. And strengthening direct rivals is a crock of shit. Thats how Lyon loses titles, not how Ligue 1 gets better. Marseille will sell him in 2 seasons, so whats the good in him staying in France? I think this transfer and the things that took place during it are an abomination and I am disgusted with Lyon's attitude towards one of their own prospects. Bip Bip’s name is the Roadrunner Jo. I dont like Ben Arfa leaving, but I blame the management for loosing control over Ben Arfa’s attitude. They knew this was a problem when he came in from Clairefontaine, but they did very little to improve it. Stubborn as he was, they definately could have been more proactive in maturing the player.

I also dont like how they sided with Benzema instead of attempting to patch things up. Giving Benzema all the power in the Lyon dressing room is a joke, he is still a very raw and unproven people, to many forget this. He could tear a quad muscle and be out for 3-4 months at a time this season yet again, it seems foolish to rely on a 20 year old striker but cast away a 21 year old winger with an almost identicle attitude problem and as much if not more potential.

And strengthening direct rivals is a crock of shit. Thats how Lyon loses titles, not how Ligue 1 gets better. Marseille will sell him in 2 seasons, so whats the good in him staying in France? I think this transfer and the things that took place during it are an abomination and I am disgusted with Lyon’s attitude towards one of their own prospects.

]]> By: Pride of Lyon http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15272 Pride of Lyon Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:14:52 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15272 When I look at the picture of Perrin and Ben Arfa, I can't help inagining what Perrin is whispering in his ear... "Sit on the bench, little brat..." or something like that. There is this kind of "Godfather" look in his eye. When I look at the picture of Perrin and Ben Arfa, I can’t help inagining what Perrin is whispering in his ear…
“Sit on the bench, little brat…” or something like that. There is this kind of “Godfather” look in his eye.

]]> By: japple http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15271 japple Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:42:12 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15271 well this is always the slowest time of the year isn't it? With the Euros this summer there was some excitement, but now I just find myself periodically checking sites and sources for any kind of news OL related. the start of the new season can't come soon enough! It's great (and also sad) to be able to witness the post-juni/sonny/coupet/govou/original champions age come to an end, and watch as a new OL age emerges with plenty of young, eager, talent. Puel is also a great coach and more than capable of raising Lyon's level and bringing them more success in europe (hopefully he stays for longer than one season). Yeah, it's sad to see players leave, and it's even worse to see Juninho (just watched one of his youtube FK compilations for about the 100000time... my favorite player hands down) slowly get displaced by younger talent, but as fans we can look forward to a very bright future for this club. well this is always the slowest time of the year isn’t it? With the Euros this summer there was some excitement, but now I just find myself periodically checking sites and sources for any kind of news OL related.

the start of the new season can’t come soon enough! It’s great (and also sad) to be able to witness the post-juni/sonny/coupet/govou/original champions age come to an end, and watch as a new OL age emerges with plenty of young, eager, talent. Puel is also a great coach and more than capable of raising Lyon’s level and bringing them more success in europe (hopefully he stays for longer than one season).

Yeah, it’s sad to see players leave, and it’s even worse to see Juninho (just watched one of his youtube FK compilations for about the 100000time… my favorite player hands down) slowly get displaced by younger talent, but as fans we can look forward to a very bright future for this club.

]]> By: richard http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15270 richard Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:41:35 +0000 http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/therapy-post-making-sense-of-the-hatem-ben-arfa-debacle.html#comment-15270 OL have won Ligue 1 7 years straight and have robbed numerous French teams of their rising stars and I'm supposed to feel sorry for them when they lose a player? OL have won Ligue 1 7 years straight and have robbed numerous French teams of their rising stars and I’m supposed to feel sorry for them when they lose a player?

]]>