On Second Thought…

By: Inara | August 30th, 2007

After I’ve had some time to cool down and think about this logically, I’ve come to some conclusions.

First of all, while this will be a very tough group, this will be better for the club in the long run. In previous years, Lyon breezed through the group stages (they were group winners the last three years, qualifying ahead of Real Madrid and Bayern), but they inevitably choked up in the latter stages of the competition. So maybe a tough group featuring Barcelona, Stuttgart, and Rangers will spur the team out of complacency.

Public perception about Lyon:

1. Lyon’s injury crisis is a great advantage. Most people don’t realize that Lyon’s injury situation, while tragic at the moment, is mostly temporary. Other than Cris and Gregory Coupet, everyone else will be back for the first game against Barcelona (except for Fred, who is suspended). Assuming Sebastien Squillaci, Patrick Muller, and Anderson get into form, Lyon may be able to make it through.

2. Lyon are playing poorly. Newsflash: Lyon are one game behind, and just because they lost two games out of the first five does not mean that Lyon are facing relegation to Ligue 2. The first loss was under exceptional circumstances while the second was a collective brain fart. True, Lyon aren’t yet playing the thundering football they are known for, but give them time. A new manager, new players, and a constant shuffling of positions due to injuries is bound to inhibit style. But rest assured, the Lyon we all know and love will be back.

3. Lyon lost many good players. Again, if by losing good players people mean high-profile players, then yes. But despite my constant grumbling, I think Lyon had a good mercato. Mathieu Bodmer is a better player than Tiago while Fabio Grosso and Nadir Belhadj offer different qualities than Eric Abidal. Right now, Florent Malouda is the most notable loss, as Kader Keita has yet to fill his shoes. But Keita is also scarier than Malouda ever was (but twice as inefficient – at the very least he’ll keep opposing defense very busy). Sylvain Wiltord and Claudio Cacapa also left the club, but their impact on last year’s CL campaign was negligible anyway.

Advantages:

1. Lyon’s excellent away form. This may be hard to believe, but Lyon have one of the best away form in Europe, thanks to their remarkable composure at other grounds and their dismissal of hostile fans. So while playing at Ibrox, Camp Nou, and Gottlieb Daimler should be intimidating, it really isn’t when you consider their history.

2. Everyone is underestimating Lyon. This is a good thing. Unlike last year, when the “dark horse” label was tossed on Lyon like confetti, this season they are going into this competition with low expectations riding on them and will probably be underestimated by their opponents.

3. They aren’t fighting to be group winners. I think everyone in the football world has agreed that Barcelona will be the winners of Group E. I think so too. Being runner-up isn’t that much of a disadvantage when you consider the quality of the competition in all four pots. And in this case, with Barcelona hopefully taking away points from Stuttgart and Rangers, and with Stuttgart and Rangers taking away points from each other, Lyon should be okay if they can get 10-11 points.

4. Their collective spirit. I know, morale at the Gerland seems low these days, but nothing like a tough group of fixtures to forgive and forget (Juninho and Sidney Govou, I’m talking to you). Lyon’s trademark has never been about their star players but about how well they work together on the pitch. OL strikers will willingly drop back and defend deep in their own half if necessary while the defenders will go forward to offer support.

5. A strong home record. Last year’s freak loss to Roma broke Lyon’s European 28 game unbeaten streak at home. But despite that loss, Lyon won’t let their home fans down.

6. Years of experience. Repeated participation in the CL means that Lyon are no longer the shy violets they once were in the late nineties. In recent years, they are the only club besides Milan to have reached the quarterfinals three times in a row (but went no further), and are adept at managing a game every three days.

7. Only one team is star-studded. Stuttgart and Rangers don’t have any strikers that scare me, and as for Barcelona, Samuel Eto’o is out while Thierry Henry has yet to show his true colors (and as much as I love Titi, I hope he finds them when Lyon aren’t around). Of course Lionel Messi and Ronaldinho are still a big threat, but Lyon have faced Zinedine Zidane, Andriy Shevchenko, Kaka, Cristiano Ronaldo, etc, and still kept their courage.

Disadvantages:

1. Fred’s suspension. Thanks to the idiot’s ill-timed elbow jab into Cristian Chivu’s face, he is suspended for Lyon’s first three European matches (to my knowledge, Lyon did not appeal the suspension). This could be a bad thing or a good thing. Fred is a very talented striker whose season last year was cut short by injuries, but he tends to bottle big matches, so maybe his absence isn’t that big of a loss. Lyon are still dangerous considering Karim Benzema’s very excellent form. And one of these days, Kader Keita should wake up. Strangely, I’m not worried about being unable to score goals, as I don’t think Barca can keep a clean sheet against us even at Camp Nou, but I’m worried about conceding goals.

2. Lyon’s defense is looking like a sieve. Cris has been the rock upon which Lyon rests, and his absence makes European progression hard to imagine. But Sebastien Squillaci, in my opinion, is better if less flashy, while new recruit Anderson is not without talent. Patrick Muller is able and experienced backup too. The biggest problem is that Grosso’s runs up north leave the back exposed, which means a heavier burden on the two CBs. It also doesn’t help that Coupet’s stand in goalkeeper, Remy Vercoutre, inspires little confidence in his defenders, and seeing Bodmer refuse to send the ball back to him shows that Vercoutre is going to have to shape up. But he is an EXCELLENT shot-stopper, and from what Isaiah tells me, Barcelona aren’t that great on set pieces.

3. The first game is away. Normally, Lyon start their CL campaign at home with a nice resounding win, which keeps confidence high for the next few months. But playing away, at Camp Nou of all places, means that if the players get a bad result, it may weigh them down for their next game against Rangers, who they play at home.

4. Differing playing styles. Lyon do quite poorly against physical sides, especially when the tactics consist of long balls and rough-and-tumble play. While I don’t expect Rangers to outclass Lyon, they can easily frustrate them. Stuttgart is also a big side, and like all German teams, deadly on set pieces, which is Lyon’s current weakness. Barcelona’s style is one that Lyon will enjoy playing against (in fact, I sometimes consider Lyon to be a cheaper, younger, and less titled alternative to Barca), as passing and fluid play are trademarks of both clubs. Their games should be the most enjoyable of the group.

Lyon have no guarantee of progressing, so it is up to the team to play up their advantages and to play down their disadvantages. And no matter what happens, I just want to see Lyon play some good football.


I will be too busy to post for the next few days, so if someone out there is interested in doing a “guest” post on this blog, on whatever OL topic you want, let me know.






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  • Jo |  August 31st, 2007 at 1:03 pm

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    Inara,
    http://www.olympique-et-lyonnais.com is talking about you
    :)

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  • Salieri |  August 31st, 2007 at 4:24 pm

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    Inara is finally getting recognized for her outstanding work ;)

    Nevertheless I think (and hope) Belhadj will play as LW against Barca. First because Nadir is extremely motivated to play in Champions League (what could be more exciting than a first CL match in Camp Nou?) and also because we need a real defensive left winger to counter Messi.
    Clerc could be a good alternative on the right wing too, to have him play the same way as he did against Mardid in Bernabeu last year, when he managed to counter Roberto Carlos properly.
    Our only chance to score a goal will be based on Benzema’s incredible talent!

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  • rickard |  September 1st, 2007 at 5:16 am

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    Inara, who is this 19yo Damien Plessi that Liverpool poached from your youth system? How highly rated was he?

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  • Inara |  September 1st, 2007 at 6:15 am

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    Sorry for lack of replying, but I’m a bit busy. I’ll get to the other comments later, but I’ll answer this one:

    From what I know of Plessis, he’s of some talent, though I would hesitate him to compare him to a more established player. He’s never made a first team appearance for Lyon, but he’s a player for the future, so it’s obviously a step up to go from Lyon reserves to Liverpool reserves. The problem was that at Lyon, there are so many better youth players than him that he had no chance of making the first team.

    He isn’t one of the best youth players Lyon have, but he’s still good, and I’m sure Benitez saw something in him to mark him as a future player. He played for France in the Euro U19s (though I think his most significant achievement in that tournament was getting red carded against Germany).

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  • Massaer |  September 1st, 2007 at 11:27 am

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    On third thought, I’m reconsidering.
    I’m watching the Lyon-Le Mans game as we speak and if you guys play like this in three weeks, you’ll be atomized in Barcelona. What the hell is this team doing. They’re playing worse than we are! And we’ve been playing horribly. It’s just a matter of time before Le Mans scores again.

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  • Shazback |  September 1st, 2007 at 11:58 am

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    Lyon win against Le Mans, despite being dominated for 70 of the 90 minutes, and then scoring 3 goals in 7 minutes…

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  • Ray |  September 1st, 2007 at 12:00 pm

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    You spoke too soon, Massier. The team showed their true spirit on the pitch today. Juninho…any doubts about him now…?

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  • Shazback |  September 1st, 2007 at 1:07 pm

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    Ray, Lyon didn’t play very well, I think even Inara will admit to that.

    However, Kader Keita came off, Baros came on, and then Lyon had 20 minutes of madness : 3 goals that were against the flow of the first 70 minutes.

    If Lyon had played like that against Barcelona, then they would have been 4 or 5 goals down, and they probably wouldn’t have scored more than one.

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  • Daly |  September 1st, 2007 at 1:30 pm

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    After learning about what Abidal said about Lyon a few weeks ago (they don’t wash their training kits; Lyon is on a down spirral; Barcelona i the greatest club in the world) I hope and pray so hard that Lyon beats, kills Barcelona in CL, just to shut his big mouth right up.

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  • Ray |  September 1st, 2007 at 1:55 pm

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    I only watched the second half, the first half must have been pitiful. What I saw of Keita today wasn’t impressive. They didn’t play at their best, but didn’t the comeback remind you a bit of that urgency displayed vs. Lille towards the end of the season?

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  • Massaer |  September 1st, 2007 at 3:22 pm

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    Ray, I did speak too soon.
    But you should have watched it. There was no way they should have come back. If Le Mans didn’t totally try to save the result and choke, Lyon could have played for three days and still wouldn’t have scored. It was not a showing of how much spîrit they had but of how much spirit le Mans lacked.
    Seriously, I was just asking myself how they were planning on winning anything with that team. And keep in mind that Grafite just left that club.
    BUt during those minutes, Lyon could have sscored six goals and nothing could have been done about it. Le Mans was “à la rue”

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  • Jo |  September 1st, 2007 at 3:27 pm

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    I REALLY don’t agree with you !

    I was at Gerland, tonight, and I sware that was the best match of Lyon since the beginning of Ligue 1 07/08 !
    Lyon didn’t worth to concead 2 goals, Le Mans scored on counter-attack.
    We did the game for almost 90 minutes, we had the possession of the ball and I was very happy to see Lyon playing like that : one touch balls, penetrating passes, technicals stuffs, many solutions for wingers centers, etc etc !
    That was a great way of playing !
    We just still have a lack of automatism between some new players, but the fighting spirit were here, and the urge of good playing.
    Lyon took risks. And they took 2 goals.
    But what happenned then, 20 minuytes before the end of the match, was incredible !!! Gerland was on fire… I don’t remember have seen such crazy atmosphere in the stadium since OL/REAL 2 years ago ! People around me, and everywhere were absolutely mad !!!
    I LOVED IT ! Wow ! wow !
    The real Lyon is back, believe me. And JUNI is too ! He made everything, was the real captain, the leader, asking supporters to continue to push when he was feeling Lyon can score. And he was right ! We can almost touched this crazy atmosphere in Gerland. I still have creeps on my arms !
    The only lack we had during this game is because of the incredible injuries of the team (Vercoutre mistake ont he first goal -> Coupet injuries. Bad man to man marking on the second goal of Sessegnon -> Cris or Anderson injuries).

    Lyon is 5th with one match less. And this kind of match is one of those which really give confidence for the others !

    So, what’s the problem with Lyon ?
    We’re ALL RIGHT ! Isn’t that so much fun ?

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  • Storm |  September 2nd, 2007 at 4:07 am

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    I was at Gerland too last night and totally agree with Jo. The match was fantastic – really offensive and the atmosphere was electric. OL were completely dominant. I felt so proud to be Lyonnaise.

    Two goals down did not in any way reflect the performance/balance of the two teams. Strangely when we were two goals down it did still feel like something special might still happen, perhaps not three goals but at least clawing back to a draw. And once the team turned on that extra 10% to get the first goal you just knew there were more goals coming. Le Mans couldn’t do anything, Lyon were on fire.

    And yes Juni was amazing – very present, very energetic, very pivotal and so confident. There was huge support for him just before he took the (great) free kick that lead to Benzema’s goal. Two minutes later he came over to take the corner (that lead to Baros’s) goal and on his way asked the fans to support and be loud. It was a great complicity between the team and the fans. (And made you realise how much of a natural captain Juni is).

    Other players were good too – especially up front. Benzema and for the most part Govou had good matches. In the first half Bodmer was also very impressive – very strong and very good in the air, although he was much more discrete in the second half. Baros was also good once he came on – and whoever invented that stupid rule about players not taking off their shirts.

    Toulalan, although not at his very best, was still strong.
    The downside was defence – especially Vercoutre. He totally messed up for the first goal – as did Reveillere. The second goal was also a defensive error from Grosso. And yes its true Barco would not be so forgiving.

    Slightly alarmingly I saw Roux take penalties during the pre match warm up and he missed just about every one – so really back up there!

    But overall a great performance, great match and unbelievable atmosphere

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  • Shazback |  September 2nd, 2007 at 7:08 am

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    Storm and Jo : Lyon had the ball, but they couldn’t do anything with it. It was like Lyon during the last half of last season. You “made” the game, but without result. However, here, Le Mans take 3-4 counter-attacks and the back 4 were pretty ridiculous.

    Vercoutre was invisible. Grosso was good offensively, but didn’t close his wing enough (Gervinho owned him for most of the match), Squillaci-Bodmer were awfully imprecise in their positioning, and Reveillere was the better of the back 4, but he couldn’t do much except close down his side, and when he had to fill in for Grosso, well… We saw that he’s a right back. Juninho had a very good match, but it was really after the 60th minute that he took off. Before, he was having a “good” game, but nothing fantastic. Kader Keita was pretty awful, so many lost balls that anyone wonders why he’s worth 18 M€. Govou was good on his wing, and was probably the best player on the pitch with Benzema. Benzema was the only player I felt was up to level. Toulalan was good, but didn’t offer any solutions to crack the solid Manceau block, and Källström seemed to be playing within himself after he put his first shot of the game out of the stadium.

    It’s Le Mans you were playing against, not Liverpool or AC Milan. Sure, Lyon made the play… But they didn’t really seem dangerous. Mans played on the counter, as expected, and they were far too successful. That’s all.

    And all the 4-4-2 naysayers have been silenced… As soon as Keita came off to let a 2nd striker play, Lyon were a whole lot better… And nabbed 3 goals within 10 minutes of Baros’ entry.

    Nobody’s saying that it’s a “problem” this game. But rather that whilst playing for 20 minutes out of 90 will get you a win in Ligue 1, who thinks that the same performance will be enough against Barcelona, Stuttgart or even Rangers?

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  • Inara |  September 2nd, 2007 at 8:50 am

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    I just have a few thoughts to add.

    First, Lyon took NINE points in SEVEN days. None of the wins have been impressive, but as we all know, it’s the points that count.

    Lyon’s biggest problem is their defense. I have never thought Vercoutre was good enough to be Lyon’s #1, but there is nothing to be done about that now. He needs confidence, badly, and yesterday’s performance will not be helping him. Reveillere is dependable, so I am not worried about him. Squillaci, who is normally unflappable, seems very off-kilter with Vercoutre and Bodmer near him. As for Bodmer, he’s not a defender, so I’m not upset with him. He’s doing the best he can, and hopefully we’ll see Anderson during the next game. Grosso is great going up, had a lot of great crosses that could have led to goals, but needs to work on being defensive. I agree with what Salieri said, that having Belhadj as LW with Grosso behind him would be better since between them they should provide some defense.

    Kallstrom had a silent match, and Toulalan did his job, which was disrupting Le Mans’s midfield. I think he too was up to standard. Juninho turned on towards the end, but I think that was partially due to the fact that he began playing out of positing in the latter half of the game. He isn’t much for staying in a set role, whether it’s a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3. Perrin will have a tough time deciding between those two formations for the CL.

    Keita was disappointing, but I don’t think Lyon overpaid for him, given the market these days. He will eventually settle in, though the time it’s taking is annoying. Govou, on the other hand, has gotten better since Keita arrived, perhaps feeling the competition.

    Baros looked good. Perhaps sitting on the bench in the last two matches woke up him. And there is nothing I can say about Benzema – five goals in six matches is simply phenomenal. He’s scored in one month what he scored all year in L1 last season.

    I am, however, unconvinced by Perrin’s tactical choices sometimes, and I think he doesn’t know quite what to do when the game takes a downward turn. Watching his reactions during the last few games, he didn’t look happy, and even yesterday, he didn’t celebrate. I guess Lyon isn’t the easy job everyone thinks it is.

    As for Lyon being demolished in the CL:

    It’s true that Lyon are not ready for the Champions League just yet. But last week it looked like they weren’t even ready for L1! They are getting better, and a win like yesterday’s will go a long way in filling them with confidence.

    While an on form Barcelona, Stuttgart, or Rangers would have soundly defeated Lyon last night, it’s important to remember that none of those teams are in form. Barcelona drew with Santander, and they looked sluggish on the pitch. Stuttgart has had an unimpressive game so far, and Rangers struggled to qualify against Red Star. If Lyon played any of these teams right now, I think they would qualify and make a case for the top spot.

    The advantage Lyon has to Barcelona is that while Barca just started their campaign, Lyon have played six games. So Lyon will have more time to hit peak form, however gradually, than the others. Let’s hope by then that the defensive situation gets sorted out to some extent. If Anderson can play like Muller, I’ll be happy. He doesn’t have to be Cris.

    Anyway, I don’t think yesterday’s game means that Lyon’s case in Europe is hopeless. Difficult but not impossible.

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  • Jo |  September 2nd, 2007 at 2:05 pm

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    Please… stop to compare ligue 1 matches with CL matches.
    Everybody knows you don’t play the same way in the two competitions. That’s a mental stuff too !
    And I guess that the team we saw yesterday could have less problems against Barca than again Le Mans. Just because Barca is a team who plays, offensively. Le Mans was just with 5 or 6 players in the middle of the pitch, and stop every lyonnaises tentatives. Then, they counter attacked.
    Except maybe against the rangers, that’s not the way of playing we will see in Champions league.
    And for Shazback, when Baros entered, Lyon didn’t play in 4-4-2. I don’t know why you write this. Govou became the RW and Benzema the LW, with Baros as a striker. That was still a 4-3-3.
    Vercoutre WASN’T invisible. He isn’t Coupet, that’s sure, and he isn’t in the top 10 of Ligue 1 goalkeeper. Ligue 1 have, I think, the best goalkeepers in the world. So, a mistake like he did is more visible here, specially with Lyon, than in other countries. He just have to get confidence, as say Inara. I just remember you Jens lehman himself made many big mistakes few weeks ago, that costed 2 points to Arsenal.
    I repeat what I have written : Most of the problems we had during this match is because of the injuries. Vercoutre do his best. Bodmer too. But hey aren’t Coupet and Cris. Hope Benzema will continue as well as he does.

    I didn’t say that was the most beautiful match of Lyon ever. Just the best since August. With all the problems we had, we can be happy to see what we saw yesterday. That’s a very good sign for the future, and I don’t doubt we will be ready for CL, and do all we can do with this incredible numbers of injuries. I don’t know a team in Europe who have actually so much injuries for so much important players ! 3 wins in 3 matchs/week, in these conditions… that prove that Lyon is a BIG team.

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  • Inara |  September 2nd, 2007 at 2:40 pm

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    That’s actually a very good point, Jo. Lyon tend to raise their game against the bigger clubs than they do against the minnows. I’m sure Lyon wouldn’t play against Barcelona like they do against Le Mans.

    In terms of thrill factor, Lyon fulfilled the expectations of a edge of your seat type match. Even though they were two goals down, I never thought the match was over.

    I also think Barcelona’s style will suit Lyon’s – it reminds me of when Lyon played River Plate. That was one of the best OL matches I’ve seen in a long time, because both teams played fluid, attacking football. None of this ten men behind the ball business.

    I can totally see Lyon struggling against Rangers, actually. Sort of like they did against Reading and Bordeaux last year.

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  • Shazback |  September 2nd, 2007 at 3:00 pm

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    Jo… I don’t see how Benzema became a left winger when Keita came off… He spent most of his time in the axis of the pitch, slightly to the left, yes, but not anything like as far out as a winger should be. The player who was closest to a left winger after Keita came off was Grosso. Benzema, in my opinion, was just playing a normal “in the hole” second striker role. He was in front of Juninho, yet behind Baros, and wasn’t on either wing… If that’s not a 2-attacker system, then I’ve missed something. Grosso made 4 crosses after Keita came off, whilst Benzema made none. Unless Benzema is a non-crossing winger, then he wasn’t a winger, he was a striker.

    As for the comment that the Ligue 1 has the best strikers in the world… Apart from Coupet, that seems a little exaggerated to me. Thiriez might be happy to hear it, but I don’t believe it. Cech, Reina, Van Der Sar, Kasper Schmeichel, (the inconsistent but still champions league minutes without a goal record holder) Lehmann, Sorensen, Almunia and Cudicini are subs, etc… Say what you want, but I don’t think that Ligue 1 goalkeepers are all that great, but I do think that a lot of them have great talent. There aren’t many goals in Ligue 1, but that’s just as much because Ligue 1 has crappy attacks as because it’s goalkeepers are of a good level. See Liverpool vs Toulouse : Elmander couldn’t do a thing, and yet in Ligue 1 he’s a “feared” striker, by all the title-chasing clubs.

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  • Shazback |  September 2nd, 2007 at 3:01 pm

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    Meh, I mucked up and wrote “strikers” instead of “goalkeepers” in the sentance “As for the comment that the Ligue 1 has the best strikers in the world…”. Sorry.

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  • Inara |  September 2nd, 2007 at 3:49 pm

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    I think it might be better phrased as “L1 has more gk depth.”

    Shazback, of the gks you listed, I personally consider only Cech to be world class. VdS and Reina are good, though I think hyped up to a certain degree because of the EPL’s media exposure. The reason L1 is better off in terms of gks is its depth. In the bigger leagues, if you look beyond the top four clubs, the gks drop in quality and the keepers are average at best. Whereas in France, even small teams like Nice and Le Mans have good gks who often end up being the reason their teams are still in L1. And take a look at how many future candidates there are in France to be Coupet’s successor – all of them being very good with the potential to be world class (Riou, Lloris, Pele, Pouplin, Costil, etc).

    It can be argued that since L1 has poor strikers and inherently defensive tactics, the gks don’t face the same quality of opposition, but I’m not judging them based on easy saves or the number of clean sheets but their overall qualities, when they play in Europe or against inspired teams (even you must remember that amazing performance Pouplin put in for Rennes when Lyon fell to their first defeat last year), or when they move abroad (Frey, Barthez, Cech, Butelle, etc).

    However, you can say that L1 has only one world class gk in Coupet, with Landreau being an arguable one (it depends how he does for France). But there are far more good gks spread out through L1 than in the bigger leagues (Ramé, Lloris, Richert, Bracigliano, Janot, etc…).

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  • Massaer |  September 2nd, 2007 at 4:15 pm

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    Just wait till Itandje takes the top spot at Liverpool. France produces the best keepers, period!
    Cech and Buffon are on classes of their own, like Barthez was, Smeichel and Kopke. You have some keepers that arelate bloomers, like Coupet and Kahn, but in the enw geneeration, I think french keepers more than hold their own. Look at the english, are you telling me that country’s best keeper is robinson, that tells you something. France produces keepers like New York produces point guards.

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  • Jo |  September 2nd, 2007 at 11:59 pm

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    “But there are far more good gks spread out through L1 than in the bigger leagues (Ramé, Lloris, Richert, Bracigliano, Janot, etc…)”
    Yes, that’s exactly what I wanted to say.
    Shazback, explain me just one thing. If we played in 4-4-2, when Baros entered on the pitch instead of Keita, and if Grosso was the LW. That means we played 25 minutes without a Left defender ???
    Benzema prefer playing as a striker than as a LW. I think Perrin wanted to play in 4-3-3, and when it was possible, Benzema came in the axis trying to score. But I still believe he was the LW in Perrin’s head. I cannot think Perrin wanted to play with only 3 defenders.

    At 90th minutes, when Clerc entered for Govou, and Belhadj for Juninho, I’m ok, that was a 4-4-2, with Belhadj as LW, Clerc as RW (even if they were there to defend) and Baros and Benz as strikers.

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  • guignol |  September 3rd, 2007 at 6:41 am

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    i think second thoughts were indeed in order inara!

    first of all, this group isn’t really more dangerous than others we’ve won in the past. barça picked up henry, and especially abidal, but lots of teams in the past, and barça last year, proved that it’s not piling up the stars that makes a team.

    stuttgart wan the BL last year, but i’d still rather play them than bayern or schalke, and they’re not in great form right now.

    gers are off to a great start this year, but beating st. mirren and gretna isn’t exactly prep for the CL. they have done better in scotland since getting rig of PLG, but his message to them was spot on: cut out the drinking and amateurism if you want to win more than the SPL… loving the shirt since you were a kid only gets you so far in today’s game.

    no, the danger is inside. it’s our defense. hopefully anderson or müller will be back soon, but they won’t be able to form a cohesive pairing with toto by 19 sept… still, i see playing at the first match at nou camp as an ADVANTAGE. so we lose! sue me! no one in the group expects to win there anyway! the first match we need to win is rangers at gerland 02 oct… finishing second for a change might be a good thing… we’ll have cris and coupet back by the KO rounds, and in the past OL has peaked too early. this year we stumbled out of the box but the team is already coming together, and there’s a lot of potential on the roster.

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  • guignol |  September 3rd, 2007 at 7:15 am

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    shazback, reading your 7:08 post about the match i agree with most of the detail so wonder how we can reach such opposing conclusions. OL wasn’t on their best ever form, but dominated the first half handily and had some fine chances, including juni hitting the post on a great diving header. btw, kim won a lot of 50-50’s and fought hard in the middle, so i don’t understand why everybody’s saying he stunk: probably those great C+ announcers were cutting him up after the shot he skied in the first 15 seconds…

    the second goal hit them morally pretty hard, but they got mad, got even, and got ahead. if MUC was “à la rue” it’s OL who put them there with ferocious play.

    as for the abidal comments, i don’t remember him saying OL didn’t wash the training kits, i think it’s more like they get a NEW one every practice at barça. i don’t see how that will help them win the CL, perhaps “au contraire”!

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  • Bashir |  September 3rd, 2007 at 9:42 pm

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    Since Lyon got knocked out from the champions league at the Quater Finals by AC Milan and then the knock out round, by AS Roma.This year they will get knocked out from the group stage, by following the pattern these last three years.

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