

So the Starting XI?
By: Inara | November 5th, 2007
It’s November. We’re halfway through the Champions League group stages and over a third of the way through Le Championnat. Alain Perrin has had since June to tinker with the lineup. So he should have an idea of what he wants, right?
RIGHT?!?!
Unfortunately, Perrin’s still playing musical chairs with his players. While he’s not taking squad rotation to the level of Rafa Benitez, Perrin comes close, and though it’s months into the season, he’s rarely established the same team consecutively.
I don’t think Perrin’s even decided what formation he should have. He wants to play a 4-4-2 but fields a 4-3-3 rather reluctantly.
However, I should also point out that Lyon have been faced with an injury crises of massive proportions, with a different player getting hurt every week. But even if you take into account the injuries and suspensions, Perrin’s hesitancy is still obvious.
Some positions seem set in stone – Juninho, Sebastien Squillaci, Anderson, Sidney Govou, Remy Vercoutre, and probably Fabio Grosso.
But what about the other five spots?
Karim Benzema should be the first choice center forward, but Fred’s return has thrown that up into the air. Perrin has to play Fred – he’s a good striker, and as his coach, Perrin has to give him a chance, but unlike Kader Keita and Milan Baros, Fred will actually take it.
Because Perrin’s afraid to take more chances on a two striker system, and because Fred can’t play anywhere else except dead center, that means that Benzema may have to play on the left. And since he does it tolerably well, he won’t have much choice. But if Benzema plays on the left, that means that Hatem Ben Arfa loses his place. Which is as much of a tragedy as having Benzema play out of position.
Defensively, I think Anthony Reveillere, who’s seemingly in the best form of his life, has the nod over Francois Clerc, while Nadir Belhadj, who’s done better than Grosso the few times he’s played, will probably be benched just because Grosso won a World Cup and he didn’t. And until Cris comes back, it looks like we have no choice but to see Squillaci paired with Anderson, unless Patrick Muller somehow forces Anderson out.

Does Grosso deserve to start over Belhadj?
It’s in midfield where Perrin has the biggest dilemma. Everyone knows that Mathieu Bodmer is a better midfielder than Kim Kallstrom, but Bodmer’s spent most of this season playing as a defender, and any time Perrin wants to integrate him back to his normal position, another defender gets injured or suspended.
I used to think that Jeremy Toulalan was not movable because he’s been Lyon’s best player for months now, but Fabio Santos has been superb, not just in the last two matches but in the past month. He’s done enough that we know he’s not a fluke, and the question that has been on many of our minds is whether Toulalan and Fabio Santos can play together. They’ve only done it once before, against Lens.
So here’s my question for you guys: what do you think Perrin’s starting XI is (that is, if he has one figured out), and what do you think it should be.
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What it should be IMO :
———Coupet———-
RVR-Cris-Squilacci-Grosso
—-Toulalan-Juninho—-
Keita————Ben Arfa
——Fred-Benzema—–Bodmer should sub in for Juninho or Toulalan depending on the situation (protecting the lead or going all offense) and even Keita (Ben Arfa would then play behind the strikers, like he loves to).
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^^ Excellent formation there. I’d use Bodmer in the same way. Only concerns would be, is Fred fit to play 90 minutes yet? Maybe play him for a while then stick Baros on. If Keita is giving away the ball too much maybe stick in Govou. I’d have Clerc instead of Revelliere (can’t get that image of Mancinis stepovers getting around Revelliere out of my head!). I’d have Grosso over Belhadj just because I think he’s more of a “big” game player. So considering injuries and everything my formation would be this:
Vercoutre
Clerc Squillaci Anderson Grosso
Fabio Santos
Juninho
Keita Ben Arfa
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Ush, your 4-4-2 nedds some more defensive players
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Well I find playing 2 holding midfielders a negative approach, particularly since I don’t think Stuttgart are up to much attacking wise. I’ve always been a fan of the Barca style set up of 5 defensive players and 5 attacking.
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In this match the victory is imperative. So, beyond me the 4 3 3 which allowed Lyon to take 25 pts on 28 is imperative too. I love your romantism for offensive football Ush but a team with 8 forwards and 2 Defensive players won’t be necessary more offensive like a 442 team or a 433 one.
The match will be the last chance for Stuttgart and it appears that they seem recover some strenghs. In your 442 team we will have to control them with a tired Juninho(always tired when he should play MD, some Fred+Benzema+Ben Arfa+Keita weaks in Defensive abilities, so finally an isolated Fabio Santos to contain all the Stuttgart Midelfield. Plus the fact that our Defense is not top.
The team should be made beyond the form or injury fact daily. Beyond me the team should be :
Vercoutre
Clerc Squillaci Anderson GrossoJuninho Fabio Santos Kallström
Ben Arfa Benzema Govou
Even if Coupet, or Müller and Fred would have recover their health, i think it’s unwise to make them play for a such important match. i prefer Grosso to Belhadj, more experience and moreover i love his offensive abilities and especially his long passes. If Benzema is tired it could be a solution to begin with Fred in order to make the defense tired.
but with the rest strategy of Perrin logically he will ly should choose Reveillère and belhadj, and probably will associate Benzema and Fred with Benzema on the left wing.Posted from
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i had a dream about stuttgart last night. they scored first but then lyon equalized but i dont know the final outcome…
am i becoming an obsessive fan?
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I m afraid of. Principal thing is to continue say your wife/girlfriend you still dream about her but moreover never shout GGOOAALLLL in the middle of the night, because sometime women are suspicious…
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^^^ LOL
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———-vercoutre———-
rev-squillaci-anderson-belhadj
—–santos—-juninho——
keita————–Govou
——–Ben Arfa———
——-Benzema——–It’s a tough call. I think Fred is a great striker but I don’t see him fit enough for Stuttgart. So let’s let him come in after Benzema’s hattrick
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It’s hard to leave any of our players out. The 2B’s are must-start. But if you then use Fred as well, it leaves 3 places left in midfield for Keita Govou Juninho Santos Toulalan Bodmer Kallstrom.If we want to rotate we need to do it well from the beginning to leave everyone a chance.
I would also like to see one day the team use only one winger (Govou or Keita) and if we use Keita for instance on the right then use Kallstrom as a DM who would naturally take the left wing when necessary. I mean I think we need to make kinda player pairs.
Here are some pairs I think should work:
Ben Arfa with Benzema (obviously)
Juninho with Fred
Kallstrom Keita
Toulalan Bodmer
Grosso Govou (on left)
Belhadj Ben ArfaNot sure you see what I mean, but will be back later to answer any questions.
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On an unrelated note, apparently Fabio Santos and Juninho got into a fight (as in beating the snot out of each other) before the valenciennes match, which would explain why Perrin didn’t have a DM last weekend. I will be sooo grateful if someone could find out way. I can’t seem to anywhere.
Going back on topic, I like a lot of the formations you guys listed, and that most of them are very attack based. Are you choosing that type of lineup with the understanding that Cris and Coupet will be back in the future, when the team will become defensively solid again, or do you think Lyon’s defenses right now can sustain such a formation?
For Stuttgart, I actually think they will go on the offensive with us, because unless they win this game, they have no chances for anything. Even a draw won’t help them, so they have nothing to lose and but a possible 3rd to gain. So I think they will put us under pressure, even though we’ll be away from home. Also, Thomas Hitzlsperger, their midfield lynchpin, will be back, and unlike last time, Stuttgart’s midfield will be cohesive.
So I would like to see this on a regular basis:
Coupet
Reveillere – Squillaci – Cris – Belhadj
Toulalan – Fabio Santos – Juninho
Ben Arfa
Fred – BenzemaBut until our injured players come back, against Stuttgart I think Perrin will field this:
Vercoutre
Reveillere – Squillaci – Anderson – Grosso
Juninho – Fabio Santos – Kallstrom
Govou – Benzema – Ben ArfaWhich isn’t too bad either I guess. Also, I put Fabio Santos because Jeremy Toulalan hasn’t played a competitive game since France – Lithuania and will be out of shape, assuming he’s recovered by now.
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i had a dream about stuttgart last night. they scored first but then lyon equalized but i dont know the final outcome… am i becoming an obsessive fan?
This made me laugh. I once had a dream that the France NTwas playing Lithuania and my mother-in-law called me away and made me go fix her roof. When I got back, Lithuania was up 1-0 and the TV was showing commercial after commercial after commercial. Never did get back to the game.
You say “obsessive fan” like it’s a BAD thing.
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On an unrelated note, apparently Fabio Santos and Juninho got into a fight (as in beating the snot out of each other) before the valenciennes match
Mmm. I wonder what they were wearing…
I mean um… Yeah…Lyon! Soccer!
Inara, I’m curious about your including Belhadj in your dream starting 11 but Grosso in the current starting 11. Who else in the lineup is affecting your decision at LB? Or is the Grosso decision strictly Perrin and not you?
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Good question, Laurie.
I don’t like Grosso playing together with Clerc. It’s either Grosso and Reveillere or Clerc/Reveillere and Belhadj. I think that Grosso and Clerc leave too much of the defensive burden on the two CBs.
About my lineup, I really like Belhadj. In my season preview, I listed him as the player most likely to surprise everyone. But I think I was caught up in Fabio mania for a while like a lot of other people. But watching Grosso in the past three months, I have to say that I think Belhadj is capable of matching those performances at the very least and can probably do better. Grosso is more experienced of course, but experience only goes so far. He is also a better crosser (though Grosso has yet to provide an assist). But I think Belhadj does more defensive work as well, which is just as important.
I think Perrin keeps choosing Grosso because of trust. Grosso did play in the CL with Inter last year, and he started in the WC. But he’s only marginally more experienced, since Grosso spent the majority of his career in the lower divisions of Italy football. Whereas Belhadj was signed from Sedan, which have now been relegated.
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Beyond me, the starting XI should be :
—————Coupet—————–
Reveillere – Squillaci – Cris – Belhadj
————–Toulalan—————-
——-Bodmer ——- Juninho———
–Ben Arfa ————– Govou——-
————–Benzema—————–Why :
Coupet : Have I really to explain ?
Reveillere : He’s more defensive than Clerc
Squillaci & Cris : They are the best for this spot.
Belhadj : Grosso still afraid me as a defender. He’s not fast enough, and I think Belhadj is as defensive as Grosso. He has more technical skill, to me. He’s just less experienced, but with the 3 other defenders I have chosen, I’m not worry !
Toulalan : You know how much I like Fabio Santos. But there’s only one spot, and Toulalan is better.
Bodmer : I believe in him. If he plays he will be “incontournable” for OL.
Juni : Write his name, you have said everything. I would replace him by Kallstrom at 70th minute.
Ben Arfa : That can be a surprise, but I would like to see him on the right. He’s better when he can dribble and go through the defense on right wing. See last match’s torrent, you’ll understand ! But I’m ok to change sometimes with Govou on the left.
Govou : More I see him play, more I think he cannot be something else than a starter. He’s everywhere. Very important in defense, he do the job ! I put him on the left because he can be defensive, and belhadj is nearly an offensive player. I did the same thing with Ben Arfa, because he’s not defensive enought, but Reveillere is a very defensive player.
Benzema : That was hard to make a decision, but I always thought Benzema is the future big striker oh NT. Now that I have to chose… I have to assume my positions ! But I would put Fred for every cup match (including some CL games)
With this team, we have a substitute for each spot. And that seems very equilibrate between offensive and defensive, and between youngness and experienced players.
I chose the 4-3-3 because it’s our particularity, it’s Lyon !
And that’s a good way to win, as we can see for 6 games…Posted from
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I agree Grosso is a waste of space and payroll. Belhadj is just as adapt if not more at defending and dynamic going forward. Toulalan still warrants a place, but Fabio Santos is definately an option off the bench or in a 4-4-2. Bodmer is better then Kallstrom only become Kallstrom has been “Abidaling” it with distracted and indifferent performances. Fred is a great player, but Benzema is the starter until he looses form or Fred eclipses him. Ben Arfa should start with Benzema, their connection is to great to not employ, while Govou has definately been better then Keita this year. My major problem seems to be with Juninho. I do not know if he warrants selection automatically anymore.
————–Vercoutre————–
Rev——Toto——Anderson—–Belhadj
——-Bodmer—Toulalan—Juninho——
Govou—————————Ben Arfa
—————-Benzema—————-Hartock, Clerc, Kallstrom, Fabios Santos, Fred and Paillot should make the bench out. All the bench players should be used often. Im flexible as well, so if were to say move Bodmer into defense it could look like so:
—————Vercoutre——————
Rev——-Bodmer——–Toto——-Belhadj
Govou—Kallstrom—Toulalan—Juninho—-
——-Benzema—–Ben Arfa/ Fred———Obviously if Muller were to recover id like to see him in the back as oppossed to Bodmer or Anderson.
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Oups, Sorry, I wanted to write :
“Belhadj is as OFFENSIVE as Grosso” !Posted from
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KADER KEITA MUST START! KADER KEITA MUST START! KADER KEITA MUST START! Keita is such a good player! He’s rotting on the bench!
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“KADER KEITA MUST START! KADER KEITA MUST START! KADER KEITA MUST START! Keita is such a good player! He’s rotting on the bench!”
its a touch call. this is an important game and govou seems to have more confidence at the moment although keita’s performances are getting better.
i believe for this game govou should start but that keita should be subbed in. keita should be given much more playing time in ligue 1 games however.
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This Govou revival is so weird. The only reason Lyon made such an investment in Keita was not so much the departure of Malouda as it was the poor form of Govou. I mean, we all remember him the past few seasons. It’s not like Lyon tried to keep him – in fact I think they were subtlety encouraging him to leave.
If Govou was playing like he did last year, he would be benched yet again, and Keita would have been given more patience and time to get back to his form at Lille. But I don’t know, it’s like Govou is a whole new player. No one – not Aulas, Lacombe, Perrin, Keita, not even Govou himself – were expecting that.
It’s unfortunate because I think Keita is a better player over all than Govou, but Govou is hitting the form of his life while Keita isn’t.
Notice how Lyon are suddenly quiet on recruiting Mancini or another winger?
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Use 4-4-2, with Fred and Benzema up front, use Govou on the right and switch Keita to the left. In the centre of midfield, Juninho-Toulalan, then Kallstrom or Santos could come on as a sub. (I don’t like Bodmer. As for fullbacks, Grosso and Reveilleire, because they both have a lot of experience.
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Just to clarify, you people are listing Bodmer as a defensive midfielder? So more than 1 holding midfielder yes?
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first of all, AP most certainly WILL use a 4-4-2 on occasion. it was a very bad idea at the beginning of the season because with the departures and injuries the team was already on unsettled ground, and a new formation could only compound that.
second, there’s always some amount of rotation for a club playing four competitions, not to mention the odd knacks and suspensions. the team has enough matches under the belt now to say an “équipe type” exists, and imo it is when cris and coupet come back (and müller, if he ever does, information about his injury has always been curiously vague):
coupet
RVR-squillaci-cris-grosso
toulalan-fabio santos-juninho
govou-benzema-ben arfaand we’ll have a almost complete second squad:
vercoutre
clerc-anderson-müller-belhadj
keita-bodmer-toulalan-källstrom
fred-barosthe 4-4-2 is just to get baros name in and to avoid putting putting belhadj in two positions in the same lineup.
although it looks good enough to win the league, we’re obviously never going to see this second string playing all together, just sifted into the first lineup as conditions warrant. and don’t forget the other purpose of depth: competition for spots to keep everyone motivated.
as for the question of two “holding” midfielders, that’s a question of tactics, not bodies. i’ve seen matches where JUNI’s played like a DMF. OL historically goes for all around players at this position, and you can say that OL doesn’t have a classic “holding” MF on the whole squad.
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