Time for Lyon vs. Steaua

By: Inara | November 4th, 2008

I don’t know about you guys, but I’m feeling cautiously optimistic about tomorrow’s game. It’s taken over three months, but Lyon are starting to play like the French champions they are. Players seem to be done screwing around, Claude Puel has finally found effective tactics, and even the injury list seems to be shortening by the day.

Of course, having all that, I might have jinxed it. Maybe I should continue being pessimistic, like, crap, Lyon suck are going to suffer tomorrow.

November 5, 2008
Stade de Gerland, Lyon
2:45 ET (20:45 CET, 19:45 GMT)

Match background:

It’s been two weeks since the game in Bucharest, with both teams reacting in completely different ways. While Lyon have steadily improved (including that 0-0 at Auxerre), Steaua’s coach Marius Lacatuş was fired and replaced by Dorinel Munteanu, who is already under the threat of a sack unless he drastically changes Steaua’s fortunes right away. If you thought having Aulas as a boss was bad, just wait until you have to put up with Gigi Becali.

Steaua are currently in 4th place in Liga 1, and since Munteanu has come on board, they’ve only managed two 1-1 draws domestically. They have six wins, five draws, and two losses, with 21 scored goals and 11 conceded. In their CL group, they have only one point and are at the bottom, with 3 goals scored and six conceded (eight of those nine goals are from the OL match alone, fyi).

If the Romanians have any hope of making it to the next round, they need a win against Lyon. With a new coach, Steaua will be eager to make a good impression. They’ve come to the Gerland once before, and that was two years ago. The game ended in a 1-1 draw, but keep in mind that Lyon had already qualified for the next round and had even consolidated top spot, so Gerard Houllier played mostly reserves that evening.

Lyon also need the three points because their last two group games are against Fiorentina and Bayern, and with qualification going down to the wire, every point – and every goal – is important. They also need to be careful because November is going to be a really tough month for them since it’s congested with big fixtures.

But they’ve been doing well domestically, having solidified first place with two wins and a draw in the last two weeks, and 18 goals scored and only 8 conceded. The defense seems to have straightened out, goals are being scored from open play, and everyone looks happy. So it’s not that I’m underestimating Steaua’s chances for tomorrow, but I think that Lyon’s current form is the best it’s been so far this season.

Lyon info:

The usual suspects of Francois Clerc, Mathieu Bodmer, Miralem Pjanic, and John Mensah are still out with their various afflictions. So is Sidney Govou, but he’s expected to return to action this Saturday, so there’s something to look forward to.

Le groupe lyonnais: Lloris, Vercoutre – Grosso, Boumsong, Cris, Faure, Réveillère, Gassama – Toulalan, Fabio Santos, Källström, Makoun – Juninho, Ederson, Delgado, Mounier, Keita, Benzéma, Fred, Piquionne.

It’s also good to see Fabio Grosso in the group. There were some concerns that he was still injured from the knock to his ribs he picked up against Sochaux, hence him being benched against Le Mans. But it looks like the extra rest benefited him more than anything, so he should be ready to go tomorrow.

Expected lineup:

This one is going to be tough to guess. Lyon have used the 4-3-3 predominantly all season, but the last two games, Puel has gone with a very attacking 4-4-2. Whether he will risk it in a crucial game against a side who have showed that they can hurt Lyon remains to be seen.

Lloris
Reveillere – Cris – Boumsong – Grosso
Makoun – Toulalan – Juninho
Keita – Benzema – Delgado

I don’t think there is much point in discussing most of the lineup. The defense is rather obvious. In midfield, it’s a given that both Jeremy Toulalan and Juninho will start. Jean II Makoun’s presence depends on what formation Puel opts for. If it’s a 4-3-3, then Makoun will be there. But if Puel chooses to go with a 4-4-2, which worked wonders in the last two games, there won’t be space for another DM. The thing is, as much as I liked the 4-4-2, it featured only one DM, as well as a CM in Juninho, who can’t always be counted on to chip in defensively. Without a third midfielder there, either Makoun or even someone like Kim Kallstrom, I’m not sure that Toulalan can keep things in control by himself. It worked in L1, but will it work in the Champions League is another question entirely (then again, it’s Steaua, not Bayern).

Karim Benzema will start, duh. I also think Kader Keita will start. He hasn’t looked good since the last game against Steaua, but he might wake up at any moment again, and I get the feeling that Puel would rather give him regularity, especially in the absence of Sidney Govou. Plus Lyon don’t really have anyone else who can play on the right wing with ease. On the left, I’ve chosen to go with Cesar Delgado. He’s looked really good in the last two games, and of all the players I’ve seen play LW so far this season, he might prove to be the best one. So I think he deserves his start. The only other options are Anthony Mounier, who I don’t think is ready yet, Ederson, who isn’t at his best in this position, and Benzema, which as I said earlier is a waste there.

Now for the matter of Fred. If Puel goes with the 4-3-3, the only way to accommodate Fred would be to push Benzema to the left, which is a waste of his talents. But if Puel chooses the 4-4-2, then Fred could play alongside of Benzema, which is infinitely better.

So to sum everything up, only two of the following three players will start tomorrow: Fred, Makoun, and Delgado. One of them will be on the bench, it just depends on the formation. My guess would be Fred.

Viewing options:

No one cares about Lyon or Steaua, which means no televised games. Booo. You can either buy a link from UEFA.com for $8 or you can try your luck at finding a stream.

Expected results:

I would love a resounding 3-0 win, but I’ll take a skimpy 1-0.






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  • Inara |  November 5th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

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    Wow and to think that Lyon started out the group on the bottom after that first day.

    So I think the thing for Puel is to develop that 4-4-2 even further. I understand why he didn’t start with it today, since two games isn’t enough to solidify tactics, but now we know Delgado has something to contribute, and Juni is the ever young, so maybe in time for Fiorentina?

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  • Inara |  November 5th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

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    But head to head record comes into play only if goal difference is equal, doesn’t it? Also, Lyon drew to Fiorentina (but it was a home draw, so Fiorentina have an edge there).

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  • Nikola |  November 5th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

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    I think that the goal difference matters in two scenarios:

    1. When two teams have played two identical matches
    2. When there are three teams with the same amount of points

    I’ll check it out somewhere, but it seems logical for head-to-head to be superior. Right? :)

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  • Storm |  November 5th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

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    Great result. My understanding is also that the head to head comes in to play only after GD.

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  • pean8ts |  November 5th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

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    If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group
    matches, the following criteria are applied to determine the rankings:
    a) higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the
    teams in question;
    b) superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams
    in question;
    c) higher number of goals scored away from home in the group matches
    played among the teams in question;
    d) superior goal difference from all group matches played;
    e) higher number of goals scored;
    f) higher number of coefficient points accumulated by the club in question,
    as well as its association, over the previous five seasons (see paragraph
    8.02).

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  • pean8ts |  November 5th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

  • alex |  November 5th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

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    Great! We haven’t condeded in 3 games, though i still want to see Mensah out there instead of boumsong..reveillere is doing fantastic! and he has played every single match this season…I really start to like him.

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  • Inara |  November 5th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

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    so head to head results don’t matter? I was under the impression that it did, once goals scored were factored in.

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  • Nikola |  November 5th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

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    Well, looks like I was right. In other words, we must beware of Fiorentina or we could end up playing in the UEFA cup, and it would be a true disaster taking into account the current table standing.

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  • Nikola |  November 5th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

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    Inara, a), b) and c) actually ARE a head-to-head record… :)

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  • Inara |  November 5th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

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    I was thinking in the sense of the actual result of the games.

    Like last season before the game at Ibrox, someone raised the possibility of what if Lyon and Rangers ended the group on even points and with the same goal difference, so the fact that Rangers won against OL and thus had a better head to head record, they would have progressed.

    I don’t know if I made any sense. I guess what I’m trying to say is, I thought head to head record was simply the results of the previous encounters.

    Anyway, going by what pean8ts listed, doesn’t Lyon have the advantage and only need a draw since Fiorentina seems to have the worse head to head record?

    Though obviously we should beware, because if Lyon lose the next two games and Bayern and Fiorentina win, it’s hello UEFA Cup.

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  • Nikola |  November 5th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

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    Yes, what I call a head-to-head record are the results in the games the two teams have played against each other. For example, if we lose against Fiorentina (let’s say with 1-0), we will definetely have an inferior head-to-head record (drew 2-2 and lost 0-1, gain one point, while Fiorentina gained 4 against us – see rule A). If we drew Fiorentina 1-1 we would still have an inferior head to head because of less away goals scored in those two matches (see rule C). If we again play 2-2, then rules D and E would give us an advantage.

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  • Inara |  November 5th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

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    But what about if Lyon have a better overall goal differential?

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  • Nikola |  November 5th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

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    It’s under rule D, and thus it’s obvious that it doesn’t really matter: it would only be activated if we played an another 2-2 draw, and the draw itself would make it impossible for Fiorentina to gather 9 points they would need.

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  • Inara |  November 5th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

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    Ahh, okay, thanks for clarifying.

    But say Lyon get a 3-3 draw in Italy – then they have the better head to head, right?

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  • Nikola |  November 5th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

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    Yup, if Lyon got a 3-3 draw in Florence, Lyon would have a better head to head record thanks to the the rule C. But, like I said, it wouldn’t matter then because Fiorentina needs to win both it’s games in order to threaten Lyon, a draw in Italy would definetely make us quailify and leave La Viola behind. Please, Lyon, just get that damn point against Fiorentina!

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  • MIKI |  November 5th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

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    We gonna win next two games trust me,Delgado was very good.
    PS:I read in newspapers that benzema said he’s gonna leave lyon on summer.

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  • Melissa B. |  November 5th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

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    I have a good slogan for y’all: Keep Hope Alive!

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  • Ronan "The Don" Napier |  November 6th, 2008 at 2:53 am

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    Guys dont worry the fact is we are five points ahead of fiorentina and we are the better side,i think fiorentina now are just focusing on the Uefa Cup

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  • Ronan "The Don" Napier |  November 6th, 2008 at 5:21 am

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    I wish we still had Remy,Benz and Loic could be a great partnership,dont know why lyon had to get rid of him esspecialy when at the time he was getting called up to the NT,he could play on the left wing and also could be the replacement for Fred,although there are rumours Lyon may try and re-sign Remy ?

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  • John |  November 6th, 2008 at 8:19 am

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    Ronald, I would have loved to see Remy and Benzema in a 4-4-2 and had Loic as Karim’s replacement last year. Does anyone know if Remy insisted on leaving? I think at that time he was still a full winger and didn’t want to wait behind Keita and Govou for playing time. Undoubtedly his current form would warrant a #1 spot at RW and #2 behind Benz at striker. I also think it was kind of a swap for Lloris. The contracts had like a 500,000Euro price difference, I think. Someone said something about a buy-back clause for Remy. I only hope to God that’s true. Then we can spend the some of the money from Benz’s sale to get a quality striker.

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  • Inara |  November 6th, 2008 at 8:46 am

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    Yes, we do have a buyback clause. And apparently Remy also wouldn’t mind coming back.

    http://www.mercato365.com/infos-clubs/nice/article_274673_Remy-suscite-les-convoitises.shtml

    A lot can happen, of course, and Remy may choose to go elsewhere. But Lyon at the moment want Remy to come when Benzema leaves.

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  • Jo |  November 6th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

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    The last incredible rumor (which is confirmed by anonymous people who works for OL, said the newspaper “le 10″) is that ERIC ABIDAL could come back to Lyon this winter.
    Even RMC talked tonight about it.

    That would be so great…

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  • Inara |  November 6th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

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    But isn’t he injured?

    I’d welcome him back, but how long will he be hre for? Is it permanent?

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  • Jo |  November 7th, 2008 at 7:15 am

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    Maybe he could be back just the time Kolodziecjak need to be ready for Ligue 1 ?

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