

What Will It Take For Lyon to Become a Big Club?
By: Inara | June 25th, 2007An excellent article was published on Sportsvox which asked whether Lyon fulfilled the criteria of being a “big European club.” It’s in French, so I thought I’d list the main points here in English, with some of my own comments. Let’s go over it, shall we?
1 - Big European clubs have a lot of titles. In this case, Lyon is not a big club. Their successes have only been recent, and their six domestic titles are paltry compared to the silverware clubs such as Juventus have racked up. But don’t despair too much. Chelsea is even less titled than Lyon.
On the French front, neither Marseille nor PSG are impressive in this regards either. Marseille have only eight league titles scattered throughout the past seventy years and only one Champions League win in 1993, though to their credit, they did make the UEFA Cup final a few years ago. PSG’s prize list is sadder, with only two league wins and one UEFA Cup Winner’s Cup in 1996.
So I guess it’s fair to say that there aren’t any teams in France with a lot of titles. Just clubs that dominate during a certain period of time but eventually sink back into ignominy. Hopefully this will change with time, as Lyon cannot aspire to greatness while playing in a (relatively) mediocre league.
2 - Big European clubs have a long history. Lyon doesn’t meet this criterion either. They only recently appeared on the international scene. The club’s European history (before 1999) consisted of sporadic participation in European Cups. They didn’t come near to winning a domestic title until 1996.
In France, no team can claim to have “history” like Real Madrid, Juventus, and Manchester United. Previously strong French clubs like Reims are currently languishing in Ligue 2 while St. Etienne and Bordeaux are content with mid-table obscurity.
3 - Big European clubs are financially strong. In this instance, Lyon is a big club, with a budget bordering around 200 million euros. Despite what Aulas wants the world to believe, Lyon are quite rich. Thanks to their smart recruitment policy, Lyon capitalized by selling their best players (basically getting more than market value) while also buying cheaply. While Lyon still have a long way to go before they can spend like Barcelona, should Lyon’s economic development continue at its current pace, that day isn’t long in coming.
4 - Big European clubs have strong infrastructures and a good public. Whether Lyon have both is debatable. The Stade de Gerland can hold only 40,000 people. Big European clubs have stadiums that are 60,000+ and are almost always sold out. Additionally, these clubs are well established and popular throughout the world, selling shirts in countries as obscure as Sri Lanka. At the moment, Lyon cannot compete, but Aulas has been taking steps to increase the club’s marketability. Lyon have been growing their fanbase in Asia thanks to tours in Japan and Korea, and their performances in the Champions League is winning over admirers all around the world. Also, now that Lyon is floated on the stock market, the funds will be used to build a higher capacity stadium for the club (Project OL-Land).
The vélo: home of the most passionate football fans in France.
As for the fanbase…in this respect, Marseille is the winner. No place in France is quite like the Velodrome, and their fans are among the most passionate in Europe. Lyon’s fanbase, on the other hands, is considered to be “cold.” Many critics are convinced that if the club started losing, the fans would disappear as well. I don’t believe that, though I agree that Lyon ultras could, well, become ultra. It should also be kept in mind that Lyon was an unknown until ten years ago, and a club has to start from somewhere. As the club become more successful, more fans will appear.
5 - Big European clubs attract “stars.” There’s no point in denying that Lyon can’t attract big players. But there are good reasons for this. First of all, the wage problem. Though Lyon pay the highest wages in France, they can’t compete with Spanish, Italian, and English clubs because of high French taxes (read more on that here).
Secondly, location also plays a role. While Lyon is the second largest city in France, it holds no candle to Milan, London, Madrid, Barcelona, etc, in terms of entertainment and cosmopolitan glamor.
6 - Big European clubs inspire fear in the Champions League. In this case, Lyon qualifies with room to spare. Just because Lyon have a tendency to choke in the latter stages of the tournament don’t stop them from scaring European giants such as Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, etc. Before the knockout round draws took place this past December, most players and managers wanted to avoid Lyon the most. And you can be sure that out of all the second seeds for next year’s Champions League, Lyon will be considered the most dangerous.
It’s for a simple reason, actually. Even at their worst, Lyon are quite difficult to play against, mostly due to a strong collective mentality than to any star player. And along with Milan, Lyon are the only club to reach the Round of 16 consecutively for four years, as well as the quarterfinals three years in a row. Their superb record in Europe (29 wins, 13 draws, 8 losses in the last five years) almost makes one forget that their rare losses come at the worst moments. This year’s loss to Roma was the worst Lyon performance I’ve ever seen and was quite shocking to the football world (no disrespect to you, Chris, but Lyon were the ones expected to advance to the quarterfinals, not Roma. Talk about a backfiring plan).

Feel the love.
I estimate that will take another few years before Lyon leave the group of second tier clubs (like Sevilla, PSV, Roma, Atletico, Benfica, Porto, etc). First, Lyon need to win the Champions League, or at least make the finals. Secondly, having a new stadium of their very own will help financially as well as aesthetically (great clubs don’t play in small stadiums!).
Also, by 2010 Karim Benzema and Hatem Ben Arfa will be full-fledged amazing footballers (assuming we can hang onto them until then). Call me Arsene, but I really think Lyon’s “kids” can lead the club to greatness. Of course, by then Juninho will have retired, but since the club is abandoning the 4-3-3, his loss shouldn’t make too much of an impact on the pitch (though we’ll miss those free kicks!). Also, Aulas needs to be in charge forever. I can’t imagine OL with any other president, though I can imagine a lot of different managers.
What do you guys think?
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Everything of Lyon’s reputation of “a great club” remains on its ability to make it to the CL semifinals or final. Lyon also needs a great championship to become a great club.
I think we can compare PSV/Ajax/Porto with Lyon, which are facing almost the same ‘championship problems’. And thus will never attract “stars”, but just sell some after they’ve exploded.
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Even in Holland and Portugal there is are two to three teams that are challenging for the title and remain competitive til the very end. In portugal you have Benfica, Porto and Sporting, and Baovista has been struggling recently. In Holland there is PSV, Ajax and AZ with Feyenoord struggling recently. In France, there is Lyon, then Marseille had a decent year, PSG has been crap for some time, Lille are such a small team though they are usually competitive, and the like of Bordeuax and Lens are large and have been making strides. Nantes was a French giant along with St etienne but they have disappeared. Its tough to see this changing, especially since Marseille will have the strain of Europe on them next season, while Tolouse I dont expect much from and PSG will probably finish in the top 5. Lille is looking sorry right now, while Lens looks very strong, especially with old man ROux, i dont see Lyon being challeneged again.
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Thanks for backing me up on the Tottenham blog Inara, I was beginning the arguement against the EPL’s player evaluations and I thought I would have to go it alone.
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I recently read an article about the French FAs “Foot Pro 2012″ plan. Wasn’t mentioned in any way in the English press, so here is the Google Translate Version of the German one:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kicker.de%2Ffussball%2Fem%2Fstartseite%2Fartikel%2F366913&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8Very ambitious, increasing revenue from TV rights from 600 to 750 million Euro, a French club winning the Champions League by 2012, taking over Serie A in the UEFA 5-Year Ranking which would assure another CL Qualification spot (with their current mix of scandals and financial trouble that might even be a realistic goal), 2/3 of French national team players to play in Ligue 1, increase turnover from 1 to 1,5 billion Euro, Euro 2016 in France.
Anyway, Lyon might profit from those plans the most and actually play a bigger part in Europe.
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A miracle
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I agree with you Corey, but even if clubs like Monaco, Marseille, Lille, Bordeaux and PSG sometimes have bad years, they are on the top of the final ranking most of the time (even though this year is a bad example).
Then Lyon’s future really depends on the crucial 2-4 matches which may bring them to the last top4 of the Champions League. Lyon really needs to prepare for those matches and not show their first squad three days before, like they did against Saint-Etienne this year.
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Well, Lyon’s ultimate goal is Europe and if they’ve gotten strong enough to reach their goal, then it’s good for French football on the whole. By now, surrounding teams should have strengthened to meet Lyon - clubs like Marseille are big enough to build and challenge them, but just wont. Can’t blame Lyon for being strong enough to get stronger, and willing to do it, but you can blame the sides that are strong enough to get stronger and unwilling to make a real effort.
It doesn’t help anyone’s case, in France, that the country is generally stripped of it’s talent by the real European powers - and they go by the same code as Lyon. I’d like to see Ligue 1 become a superpower, so I hope that article Jan posted (thanks btw) comes true. I’d be more than happy to see either Serie A or the EPL lose a spot.
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Thanks for the post Jan, its a good plan, and based on the success Franc had with the plan to win the World Cup at home with a most of the 2000 WC roster coming from Clairefontaine training like our lovely Ben Arfa. That worked really well, they still do it that way and the NT is still full of some of the best players in the world. The french FA i trust in, with all the government regulation it will be hard for them to screw the plan up like the German FA did a few years back with their tv deal.
As for the clubs of France, I think that monaco, marseille, st et and psg all have the potential to be good but the management of the clubs is so poor. psg is in shamble because of it, while st et has no money, and marseille look to be a realistic challenge this year, although they were suppose to be last year… Lens look strong to me, which is kinda obvious, they just need another quality striker and defender and they are there if they hold on to Seydou Keita. I think the problem definately is the best players of Ligue 1 end up leaving, and the retention rate has to be higher, players must want to play in Ligue 1 there whole lives. Spanish, Italian, German players rarely leave there leagues because they are solid leagues and have pride in their nation. English players dont leave cause they cant, who other then Beckham Owen and Hargreaves plays overseas on the English NT (now its just beckam). French players have an infeiority complex when it comes to Ligue 1, but if they made a collective effort to improve things they would. The French FA’s plan should work, cross your fingers and knock on wood.Posted from
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“Additionally, these clubs are well established and popular throughout the world, selling shirts in countries as obscure as Sri Lanka.”
And here’s where Inara comes in, giving her all to make Lyon a “big club” in the English-speaking world.

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Lower taxes.
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Corey: Players in England, Spain and Italy don’t necessarily need to leave their league because EPL, La Liga and Serie A are strong and prestigous enough to keep their homegrown talent and there is obviously also more money in there for them IMHO. For Germany and the Bundesliga it’s a bit different. I don’t think that German players stay in the league because they are poud of their league. It’s just that German players weren’t in demand or sometimes underrated by foreign clubs for a rather long time. Since Klinsmann and later Löw brought the German national team back on track and showcased those players on the international stage demand by foreign clubs has risen again.
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“1 - Big European clubs have a lot of titles.
On the French front, neither Marseille nor PSG are impressive in this regards either. Marseille have only eight league titles scattered throughout the past seventy years and only one Champions League win in 1993, though to their credit, they did make the UEFA Cup final a few years ago. PSG’s prize list is sadder, with only two league wins and one UEFA Cup Winner’s Cup in 1996.”Well ASSE has 10 titles, which is pretty good. They haven’t done too well recently, though.
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Thanks for the excellent comments, guys. You’ve all pretty much reflect my thoughts on this. And Jan, thanks so much for the article. The FFF being as serious as it is, I’m fully confident that they’ll do their best to achieve those goals.
Laurie, I try. Really. I would wear my Juninho shirt in public if only people would actually know who he was where I live.
Julien, I know they have ten titles, but eh, it’s nothing that amazing (Juve has thirty). Plus, they’ve happened in one period too.
Also, about the CL - if Lyon don’t make the semis this year, they will have lost much of the respect they’ve spent the past few years gaining. The only thing is, I think next year Lyon won’t do well in the CL because we’ll have team with an entirely different tactical approach and with nearly a different composition. Plus, I have yet to see Perrin at work.
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I fear for this too, then again i did when Ged took over and we did alright so who knows.
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about cities… i’m very familiar with all the cities listed and more, and honestly, as a place to live lyon beats ‘em all… except barna. whatta town!
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I agree with Guignol. I lived in many cities before Lyon (Paris Included)… And I really wanna stay here. Lyon is an extraordinary town, with a lot of things to do… But anybody know that… except guys and girls who are living in !
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This is OT, but Inara, you should wear your Juninho jersey when/if we ever have our Boston Ligue 1 fans getogether. I would recognize you!
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a very well written article without bias. i must agree, OL are one of the best teams on the planet. they are still a young team in the CL and in terms of their historical achievements. they are financially the biggest or the strongest footballing team or most popular currently.
they have great talent and its about tiem perin starts including benzema and ben arfa as regulars. i think OL play exemplary football and while i am an outright milan fan, OL are for me the second best team on the damn planet along with bayern. i think 2008 CL is for OL. I do hope they win and beat us (milan) in the final.
it’s about time they created history.
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In France the clubs finances are under scrutiny every time every year,no one cant spend the money they don’t have to buy players.Just to remind you the big four ( Spain,Italy,Germay,England,mainly the big clubs)in order of the best league playing attractive football, are all in debts but allowed to buy players in France you cant do that.Also until recently the French clubs could not be listed on the stock Market but now it is possible so very soon we going to see some changes.In France we are taking our time to modernise our Football stadiums and soon new stadiums in Lyon and new OL Land,Clermont Ferrand Clermont FA Stade Gabriel Montpied
Dijon Dijon FCO Stade Gaston Gérard
Le Havre Le Havre AC New Le Havre Stadium
Le Mans Le Mans UC 72 Stade Le Mans
Lille Lille OSC Stade Grimonprez-Jooris II
Marseille Olympique Marseille Nouveau Stade Velodrome
Nice OGC Nice Grand Stade Nice
Grenoble GF38 Stade d’Agglomeration
Gueugnon FC Gueugnon Stade Jean Laville
Reims Stade de Reims Stade Delaune II
Valenciennes Valenciennes AFC Stade Nungesser II ETC for sure we are moving in the right direction .Jerome
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